Hello,

Is anyone else experiencing excessive wiggling during flight with small plane?

I'm not a pilot, nor have ever flown in a small plane but intuitively, if I completely remove the wind layer, I would not expect my plane to violently roll left and right so that I need to correct the roll all the time. Plane is A5 Icon. At first I though that it is the wind causing this but after I completely removed the wind layer there was no change.

I saw other topic where the issue about camera shake is being discussed, but this is not camera issue but behavior of the plane itself.

 

To illustrate the issue, I can point you to the video, starting at 0:17 plane is rolling left and right and you can see that I'm having trouble calming it down. It's only at :30 that I get some steady flight. At 0:58 I started to slightly roll to the left and then the oscillations started again. It's not even that bad in this video. This unwanted rolling more like a boat rolling on the waves but sometimes it's much more violent like it's throwing me from one side to another.

 

Is it some property of the air that is not related to wind? Air pockets? Raising of hot air? But the effect seems too strong. Feels like I am flying a paper airplane sometimes.

 

Thanks!

Edited September 10, 20205 yr by charliearon
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This kind of turbulence may not only be as a result of wind.  There are other atmospheric factors that may play a role.( temperature, thermal activity).   It is also unlikley that there is 'no wind' and as you are flying close to what seems to be high ground  off to your left, the air mass over those hills/mountains may be simulating some kind of instability.  It's not all about Strong Wind = turbulence and  No wind = no turbulence.  I'm think there is an air mass visualisor you can use to see what is happening around your aircraft.  This might help to explain it.

Although at this stage the jury is still out on some of the flight models, clear air turbulence does happen.  I haven't yet felt any over exaggerated turbulence effects , although I have only flown the C172, Bonanza and Baron to date.   

There are professionals here who might be able to provide a more scientific explanation.

I think I found the issue. I went to joystick sensitivity settings in MSFS 2020 and there i saw that my joystick has developed a life on it's own. Other axes are find but roll axes is jumping to some 40% without me touching anything. Sometimes, after I move joystick around a little it settles on zero but it's definitely broken. And I though it's a flight model giving me troubles 🙂

29 minutes ago, Antinjo32 said:

I think I found the issue. I went to joystick sensitivity settings in MSFS 2020 and there i saw that my joystick has developed a life on it's own. Other axes are find but roll axes is jumping to some 40% without me touching anything. Sometimes, after I move joystick around a little it settles on zero but it's definitely broken. And I though it's a flight model giving me troubles 🙂

Which flight controller are you using? Please report to Zendesk.

I have never had any extreme turbulence with no wind layer

Edited September 10, 20205 yr by Slides

1 minute ago, Slides said:

Which flight controller are you using? Please report to Zendesk.

Ah it's a cheap Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas 4. Wasn't expecting much from it either. Actually, it was very enjoyable while it worked!

The question now is whether it is possible to diy repair it.

Sorry, I'm new here, who is Zendesk?

Zendesk is the official site to report bugs.

1 hour ago, Antinjo32 said:

I think I found the issue. I went to joystick sensitivity settings in MSFS 2020 and there i saw that my joystick has developed a life on it's own. Other axes are find but roll axes is jumping to some 40% without me touching anything. Sometimes, after I move joystick around a little it settles on zero but it's definitely broken. And I though it's a flight model giving me troubles 🙂

Sounds like maybe you have some stick drift?

Once again, never underestimate the dreaded affects of poor or poorly calibrated controllers.  

Yes, joystick is not returning to center sometimes. I've recorded this behavior:

Joystick not centering

 

 

10 minutes ago, Antinjo32 said:

Yes, joystick is not returning to center sometimes. I've recorded this behavior:

Joystick not centering

 

 

If you have the funds look into VKB or Virpil for a very precise joystick

44 minutes ago, Antinjo32 said:

Yes, joystick is not returning to center sometimes. I've recorded this behavior:

Joystick not centering

If you have trimming tabs on your joystick which would normally be used to make very fine adjustments to your centering, try exercising them.  Move them back and forth from stop to stop several times, then back to center.  

My CH Products joystick has these and the roll adjustment sometimes gets a little wonky.  After exercising the trim control as described above it works fine for a few days or weeks.

Part of my pre-flight checklist on entering an aircraft is to test the controls.  Make sure the range of motion is correct as shown in the 3D control in the cockpit.  This is how I know when I need to exercise the trim. 🙂 

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If you also have an Xbox controller connected, might be worth de-assigning all the flight controls from that to mitigate any conflicts.

It's been posted many times now, but worth repeating. When setting up your joystick in the sensitivities and deadzone screen, you must put it through a range of motions then hit F11 to save, in order for the game to register your settings.

Turning off rudder assist also helps with stability, even though in theory that only helps on the ground.

Finally always run FS20 from a cold boot, if you've been playing something else such as GTA or ETS2/ATS with the joypad, the game seems to pick up an echo from that which seems to affect controls.

I’m sure glad we didn’t have the guys chiming in saying the FDE of the whole sim is faulty...  Maybe they need to check their controllers as well.

Edited September 10, 20205 yr by Dillon

15 minutes ago, Elvensmith said:

Finally always run FS20 from a cold boot, if you've been playing something else such as GTA or ETS2/ATS with the joypad, the game seems to pick up an echo from that which seems to affect controls.

If this is true its a glaring weakness in this game that they need to fix. Have there been others reporting this? Does it occur for you even if you (for example) play GTA5 and then physically disconnect the controller and then plug in the joystick/yoke you will be using for MSFS?

4 hours ago, Antinjo32 said:

I think I found the issue. I went to joystick sensitivity settings in MSFS 2020 and there i saw that my joystick has developed a life on it's own. Other axes are find but roll axes is jumping to some 40% without me touching anything. Sometimes, after I move joystick around a little it settles on zero but it's definitely broken. And I though it's a flight model giving me troubles 🙂

Can you clarify what you did?   Did you widen the null zone?