An interesting aircraft, but is this developer good? Never heard about them, but they seems to have released a lot of stuff over the years! 

1st Developer to launch a water landing aircraft should do well

1 minute ago, Richard Sennett said:

1st Developer to launch a water landing aircraft should do well

The mighty American Champion Scout offers a float option...just sayin'...

 

25 minutes ago, Jikul said:

An interesting aircraft, but is this developer good? Never heard about them,

How to say this about BBS.....

Public service announcement maybe?  No...that could be construed as bias on my part in some way (I don't have any...own 1 product from them...never saw it updated, but never really flew it anyway, just wanted to paint it for a friend).

Wait....here is public post in their own forum regarding when an "update" is coming....this is from their customer base...so no implied bias on my part...I don't own the 330...

https://client.blackboxsimulation.com/forum/index.php?p=/discussion/1156/a330-v0-90#latest

And if you're wondering what is meant in one of the comments "They have or are going to do another runner."  This company of 2 employees "ran" before.  I will not elaborate on that, I'll let you do some digging to see what you find on your own.

Regardless, I'm hopeful they'll bring a nice product to the new platform....but wonder how the folks who bought their A330 years ago will react when they see that the company is now developing another shiny new toy for another platform while their purchase is stuck at .90?  Especially when the forum mod blames the lack of progress "due to personal circumstances with the main developers outside of their control"🙄

 

 

1 hour ago, Steve Dra said:

And if you're wondering what is meant in one of the comments "They have or are going to do another runner."  This company of 2 employees "ran" before.  I will not elaborate on that,

Well, I will elaborate. If I recall correctly, they were previously known as Phoenix Simulation or similar, but that was at least 10 years ago. I don't know any details, but Phoenix got a bad reputation and then disappeared. I bought the A320 from Blackbox around 2014, when it was at early access version 0.63 or so. It still (September 2020) is in early access. Back then, I thought I didn't understand the Airbus logic because I couldn't handle the Blackbox model. In 2015 or 2016, I bought the Aerosoft A320 and suddenly everything worked fine. The bottom line: I will most certainly not buy the Cessna L-19.

Peter 

I really don't trust BBS, their airbus has been early access I don't know for how long, maybe 8 years? Plus their quality and customer service just.... 

And wait, where is version 1.0 of the airbus which is close to 8 years in early access? 

Honestly, like CaptainSim, I would avoid BBS at all cost and not trust them. When I bought airbus back 8 years ago on FSX, I felt like i threw the money into the water. 

Edited September 22, 20205 yr by omarsmak30

Gee, another high wing single-engine taildragger to go with the Savage Cub, Shock Ultra, Cub Crafter and Kitfox. Yet another half-finished aircraft of this type is just what we needed. 🙄

Edited September 22, 20205 yr by Chock

5 minutes ago, omarsmak30 said:

I really don't trust BBS, their airbus has been early access I don't know for how long, maybe 8 years? Plus their quality and customer service just.... 

And wait, where is version 1.0 of the airbus which is close to 8 years in early access? 

Honestly, like CaptainSim, I would avoid BBS at all cost and not trust them. When I bought airbus back 8 years ago on FSX, I felt like i threw the money into the water. 

We obviously can't predict the future with 100% accuracy, so we typically rely on the history of a devs actions (or inactions) to derive how much we'll trust them to follow thru on a project.

So while none of us can say if this "new" product from the obviously stressed 2 employee company will suffer the same fate as past products, we can at least form an opinion, good or bad.

A quote from the owner himself when pressed about the delays in complex aircraft while other planes seem to pop outta nowhere..... 

"AS Stated MANY times before.. The creation of the GA products. Bulldog, Cessna, Islander in NO WAY Detracts from or Delays Airbus development ..

The reason for this is simple .. Antony is deep into creating thousands of pages of Code, meaning I have little nothing productive to add to the development at this time.. Therefore I decided to singlehandedly create these small GA models in the time I found spare ...

This IMHO Is Good for business , for customers who want something different and f course Adds to BBS profits allowing more work to go into the Bus's"

It would seem to me that, what would be good for business, is to take some of that profit he's making from those singlehandedly built aircraft (pats himself on the back) and hire another systems coder to help the beleaguered Antony with all those thousands of pages of code he's creating....by himself.

But then again I don't have an MBA, so what do I know about sound business practices?

 

I guess that the GA planes were "complete" (not at v 0.9) for the other sims, so they would have a firm foundation to "convert" them over to the new sim. Maybe?

5 hours ago, HighBypass said:

I guess that the GA planes were "complete" (not at v 0.9) for the other sims, so they would have a firm foundation to "convert" them over to the new sim. Maybe?

Possibly. But there's entirely too much stuff which has been 'on the way' from BBS for literally years, and it is this, plus a legacy of broken promises and a reputation for abandoning paying customers in the past in previous company incarnations, which begins to stretch credibility to the point where you end up saying 'no more' regardless of whether the products are good, so they've done themselves no favours in that regard.

It's a shame really, because there is a lot to like about the Black Box Airbuses and there's clearly some developer talent there, for example they have a really good livery manager and a really good load planner, and some nice touches on the way they have approached simulating systems on the Airbus, and it's pretty much the only game in town for an A340.

The problem is, they have an unfinished A318, A319, A320, A321, A330 and A340 dating back to FSX versions, i.e. these products are still listed as 'prologue' on versions 0.85.2, with a promise of what is to come, allegedly. So it's all very well saying that you can knock out a Cessna or whatever in your spare time because you are not the one doing the coding for the Airbuses, but when you've had paying customers waiting that long for a finished product (literally years), if you had any sort of integrity, you wouldn't have any spare time, you'd be trying to finish the things people have paid for instead of knocking out more stuff. And if that meant learning to goddam code or whatever so you could help out the one guy doing it all on his own, then that should be your priority, not having a crack at some other stuff.

So if anyone is tempted to buy the new BBS product when it shows up, don't say you were not warned about this company's attitude to leaving paying customers waiting for fixes that in all probability, will never come. Frankly, they should remove the middle B from their initials; it would make the name very much more appropriate.

Edited September 23, 20205 yr by Chock

1 hour ago, Chock said:

... and it's pretty much the only game in town for an A340.

Sorry to digress, but is the Just Flight offering (F-Lite I believe) better than any freeware 340s, Al? OR should I say 20 quid better? (this is for FSX:SE ...whoops)

As much as I liked the idea of the 6 pack panel wobbling around in the BBS Islander, my choice was the Flight1 rendition.

Their unprofessional snide comment about Asobo on Facebook made me instantly wonder about them. Seems consistent with what others are saying about them. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

2 hours ago, HighBypass said:

Sorry to digress, but is the Just Flight offering (F-Lite I believe) better than any freeware 340s, Al? OR should I say 20 quid better? (this is for FSX:SE ...whoops)

As much as I liked the idea of the 6 pack panel wobbling around in the BBS Islander, my choice was the Flight1 rendition.

Dunno about the Just Flight one (is that the old CLS one?), however their F-Lite range was sort of similar to the 'Freemium' stuff, so if you have a look at their freebie 757, you could sort of base a judgement off that I guess. I can tell you that the BBS one is actually not too bad and I did buy that as well as their 330 and their 321 because in spite of the criticism, they are flyable and nice models with lots of liveries. Whether you want to buy one is another matter, however, it won't cost you anything to find out as there is a free demo of it. I would say it was worth the 29 quid if you were gonna fly it a lot, as it is a nice thing; it's no FSL, but then again it's 110 quid less than an FSL 'Bus. I would say that about all the BBS stuff though, check out the demos and see if you like them, but be aware that the state the demo is in might be the state it remains in for a long time in spite of promises of updatesw, and especially now they have their eyes on the new MSFS.

Yes the JF is the old CLS one. Thanks for the reply, Al.