19 minutes ago, leprechaunlive said:

Jokes on Asobo! They should have hired you! The Programming God himself! 

We’ll never know but if he was involved then perhaps it would have worked as advertised by now ... 🤓

3 hours ago, SceneryFX said:

People do overstate the issues in some ways though, but as it currently stands, I cannot see this as a valuable training simulator. That said, I'm not a pilot, so I don't really know, but to me if I look at it and try to think like a pilot, I don't see this as being a real simulator as much as a game. I do hope that it becomes more of a real simulator.

Quick, someone post some stunning screenshots! 😆

14 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

I remember when folks complained about P3D bugs and demanded fixes now, took 2 weeks for a HotFix often followed by another HotFix a week or two later.  Those same people are ironically very tolerant of MS/Asobo fixes come 2 months later ... where was your tolerance before MSFS??  The visuals (even with many issues) seems to have adjusted some users tolerance levels.

Well there is a difference Rob, with MSFS I have clocked over 72 hours, enjoying it very much, Robert's Bonanza and the TBM with Gxxx mods are great.

P3D v5 as you forget to point out was INOP for a month until HF2 came out. Its simple did not work for a month, and even you said it should not have been released.

Also lets be fair P3D is now v5 how many year has it been since v1? how many years did P3D and FSX wait for FSL/PMDG? Well this is MSFS 2020 v1 only 2 month old period.

So yes I can adjust my tolerance levels because I can remember FSX and the very start of P3D and the years its taken for P3D v5 to be where its at. And even now v5 EA is beta, with lots of fault with EA that need fixing.

I do agree MSFS2020 should have been released as early access as it probably impossible for a sim to replicate the world in the detail MSFS 2020 does and it be perfect in every detail and have studdy level aircraft as default all at launch, But really does that need pointing out to long term simmers I ask myself?

So yes I can easily have "tolerance" because MSFS is just 2 months after birth.

 

Edited October 16, 20205 yr by Nyxx

What I don't understand is: why don't all the haters delete MSFS from their harddrives if it causes so much anxiety and horror, I mean, you guys are like the dude who constantly hits himself over his head with a hammer and complains that it hurts.

21 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

Well there is a difference Rob, with MSFS I have clocked over 72 hours, enjoying it very much, Robert's Bonanza and the TBM with Gxxx mods are great.

P3D v5 as you forget to point out was INOP for a month until HF2 came out. Its simple did not work for a month, and even you said it should not have been released.

Also lets be fair P3D is now v5 how many year has it been since v1? how many years did P3D and FSX wait for FSL/PMDG? Well this is MSFS 2020 v1 only 2 month old period.

So yes I can adjust my tolerance levels because I can remember FSX and the very start of P3D and the years its taken for P3D v5 to be where its at. And even now v5 EA is beta, with lots of fault with EA that need fixing.

So yes I can easily have "tolerance" because MSFS is just 2 months after birth.

 

The question is : would you have purchased it if you knew upfront that multiple ac did not work correctly and it might had issues with DL and starting up ?

You are correct that Fs2000 ( As real as it gets ...) - Fs2002 - Fs2004 - FSX and P3D 1 -5 took years to get where they are now. At least you could fly and their bugs were never that severe.

It all comes down to how well it works with your system and what your expectations and needs are..

 

3 hours ago, paulscottrobson said:

I mean it what kind of world would you *not* make the stupid tooltips an option.

Here you go:

https://fselite.net/news/microsoft-flight-simulator-development-blog-update-october-15th-2020/

19 minutes ago, GSalden said:

The question is : would you have purchased it if you knew upfront that multiple ac did not work correctly and it might had issues with DL and starting up ?

You are correct that Fs2000 ( As real as it gets ...) - Fs2002 - Fs2004 - FSX and P3D 1 -5 took years to get where they are now. At least you could fly and their bugs were never that severe.

It all comes down to how well it works with your system and what your expectations and needs are..

 

Yes, I love the sim because I have not had any problems installing it on 2 PC's, It makes P3D look 10 year old IMO with out EA and to see the world wherever I go in this detail is a new world, you need TE to get even close.

So yes I love it and I have not touch P3D or my beloved FSL since.

Does MSFS work for airliners, no. But with the G3000 mod the TBM is great for taking the place of my FSL and enjoy it very much.

So, I don't regret one little bit of getting it day one and flying it every day since. Will I fly P3D v5.1....really not sure because unless EA is amazing am not sure I want a 10 year old looking sim anymore, but if 5.1 and EA is great then yer i will use 5.1 for FSL only sim. That's what I see 5.1 for, nothing else now. Let also remember i will have to spend countless hours installing on the new PC not only P3D but all the Orbx stuff, AS, PROATC...countless airport as unlike MSFS I could not bare to fly into a default, O the list is so long, its mind blowing. 2 nights work easy to just get installed and set up. 🤪

Keep bashing it mate, I expect nothing else these days 🙂

"At least you could fly and their bugs were never that severe." BS mate utter BS. Roberts Bonanz is a dream to fly so is the TBM with the G3000 mod, also the g1000 mod for the Bonanza.

Edited October 16, 20205 yr by Nyxx

13 minutes ago, GSalden said:

 

You are correct that Fs2000 ( As real as it gets ...) - Fs2002 - Fs2004 - FSX and P3D 1 -5 took years to get where they are now. At least you could fly and their bugs were never that severe

 

MSFS has bugs, inconsistencies, things that don't work, oddities, features that aren't implemented, etc. but it doesn't have "severe bugs". And repeating this misleading claim over and over won't "make it so".

13 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

Keep bashing it mate, I expect nothing else these days

Completely agree.  There are two people in particular no names mentioned that for their own reasons feel the need to continuously point out everything wrong with this sim while praising everything their 10 year old sim with 5 MAJOR releases not counting how many minor fixes were released that broke just about every installer and add-on with just about every new release.   

Then they come here and tell people who are enjoying themselves that they are looking at MSFS through Rose colored lenses, every sim released prior didn't have these issues, it's not a real sim, it's never going to be a real sim, you can't fly a jetliner fast, you can't do IFR, it's a Cessna only sim and they seem intent on getting people to agree the sim is "bad" at it's core and just won't stop...  

It's amazing in the Racing Sim world we regularly bounce back and forth between multiple platforms because of car/track availability but holy cr*p we don't have these ego peeing matches to "prove" a point about which one is better... I'm off to use my new DD wheel and ignore this place for a bit,  I spent years away from Avsim because of people "Needing" to be right and it's good to see nothing has changed.  

Edited October 16, 20205 yr by psolk

Just now, Ricardo41 said:

MSFS has bugs, inconsistencies, things that don't work, oddities, features that aren't implemented, etc. but it doesn't have "severe bugs". And repeating this misleading claim over and over won't "make it so".

You must be living under a rock ... 😂 

Indeed it are all just little bugs fixed in no time ...

You know better 

5 minutes ago, GSalden said:

You must be living under a rock ... 😂 

Indeed it are all just little bugs fixed in no time ...

You know better 

Honestly, it's enough.  No one is living under a rock or "knows better" because they don't agree with your comments.  You are just flat out insulting people for their opinions which do not match yours at this point.  

4 hours ago, SceneryFX said:

People do overstate the issues in some ways though, but as it currently stands, I cannot see this as a valuable training simulator. That said, I'm not a pilot, so I don't really know, but to me if I look at it and try to think like a pilot, I don't see this as being a real simulator as much as a game. I do hope that it becomes more of a real simulator.

 

 

TBH  too much unsupervised flight time on a PC game, even if you found one that was an exceptionally accurate representation of the real training aircraft, is not always a good idea for would be pilots with no real world instructor to supervise them.

Practicing what you were taught in your last real world lesson may be useful yes, previewing what you are doing in the next real lesson is fine,  but just jumping on a flightsim and trying to teach yourself to fly using youtube videos can be asking for trouble, there are so many bad habits you can acquire if no-one is looking over your shoulder. You are as likely to add to your real world training time as you are to shorten it.

Edited October 16, 20205 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

8 minutes ago, GSalden said:

You must be living under a rock ... 😂 

Indeed it are all just little bugs fixed in no time ...

You know better 

Hundreds of gamers post MSFS 2020 videos daily on youtube. Yet, here you are, banging on about "severe bugs".

2 minutes ago, psolk said:

Honestly, it's enough.  No one is living under a rock or "knows better" because they don't agree with your comments.  You are just flat out insulting people for their opinions which do not match yours at this point.  

Insulting ? So I personally attack people ?

Show me some examples and I will show yours ...

Just now, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

 

 

TBH  too much unsupervised flight time on a PC game, even if you found one that was an exceptionally accurate representation of the real training aircraft, is not always a good idea for would be pilots with no real world instructor.

Practicing what you were taught in your last lesson may be useful yes, but just jumping on a flightsim and trying to teach yourself to fly can be asking for trouble, there are so many bad habits you can acquire if no-one is looking over your shoulder. You are as likely to add to your real world training time as you are to shorten it.

This is a great point and why in the racing sims our data actually goes to a coach to compare sessions as well as overlayed with our real world data and compared not just against other sim sessions but real world data...  It's amazing how many times you will do something in the sim that the data shows would not have ended well in the real world LOL...