I love this sim, but that is a bit of a rose colored outlook, there are definitely some core issues in this sim that do not exist in other sims. There are also some huge advantages to this sim that other sims cannot touch, but if you are training to be an actual pilot, there is no question that this sim has some issues. Playing it like a game, well yah, not too many issues in that respect, but then again the SDK is maddening. Yah, FSX had its issues with default planes too, but not in the same ways. So it is simply that these are different issues, and for some people they are deal-breakers.

People do overstate the issues in some ways though, but as it currently stands, I cannot see this as a valuable training simulator. That said, I'm not a pilot, so I don't really know, but to me if I look at it and try to think like a pilot, I don't see this as being a real simulator as much as a game. I do hope that it becomes more of a real simulator.

Edited October 16, 20205 yr by SceneryFX

8 minutes ago, SceneryFX said:

I love this sim, but that is a bit of a rose colored outlook, there are definitely some core issues in this sim that do not exist in other sims. There are also some huge advantages to this sim that other sims cannot touch, but if you are training to be an actual pilot, there is no question that this sim has some issues. Playing it like a game, well yah, not too many issues in that respect, but then again the SDK is maddening. Yah, FSX had its issues with default planes too, but not in the same ways. So it is simply that these are different issues, and for some people they are deal-breakers.

People do overstate the issues in some ways though, but as it currently stands, I cannot see this as a valuable training simulator. That said, I'm not a pilot, so I don't really know, but to me if I look at it and try to think like a pilot, I don't see this as being a real simulator as much as a game. I do hope that it becomes more of a real simulator.

You have stated it correctly.

Well, let's be honest. It's not just got issues.

I've been programming for over 40 years and this is one of the buggiest half finished bits of junk I've ever seen, and that's saying something. I'd be ashamed to put my name on this.

It's at least 3 months and probably more like 6 from being anywhere near releasable quality.

It's not alpha quality, let alone beta quality, and there is clearly virtually no testing going on beyond the bare minimum. Sling something in, hope it works, get it out as another patch. This is probably because Asobo are under pressure to get it out as an XBox launch so stuff the PC group.

The UI gives the impression of being put together on the fly with zero thought ; I mean it what kind of world would you *not* make the stupid tooltips an option. Who designed the joystick setup interface ? Why when you pop out an instrument does it leave the controls behind ?

It's simply unfit to be released, and the pretty graphics don't hide from that. There's very little in it besides the sim, a few non-mission type things, a revamped version of the first part of FS2004's Machado tutorial, the planes barely fly let alone work correctly.

It's a classic example of "Nice Video, shame about the Song".

 

47 minutes ago, GSalden said:

If there are so much topics about the same then there must be something not entirely going well with MSFS....

Otherwise they were flying and having a good time 🤔

The original poster is exactly right. As a simulator it is useless because it doesn't simulate anything very much once you've admired the scenery.

As a game there is no actual game present. FSX had its missions, the Machado tutorial. FS2020 has a cut down rework of the Machado tutorial's first part of six or seven, some "Landing challenges" (start a scenario off, land the plane and score on simple things) and some "Bush flights".

3 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

It's for everyone's benefit to lure that "crowd" into the world of MSFS (more users = more development).  Doesn't mean the hardcore or litecore simmer has to engage in that activity, but why exclude or not provide for those that might want to?

Or for the civilian stuff, a built in mission generator or career mode to give a purpose - much as I love flying around sometimes it can get a bit abstract. That's something that has been a (lacking) feature of FS ever since I first fired up 5.1 all those years ago. The train sims give you a timetable to follow (in some cases you get the workings across the route for an entire day) or a list of cars that need to be picked up or dropped off at various locations en route. I know we have Neofly but it is really only suitable for doing short quick runs as you can't save (AFAIK) and resume the flight later and still pick up the job.

11 hours ago, rksoftware said:

Hi,

This is OP again. Just wanted to tell people here that I am not a TROLL, but a human being with my own opinion. 

Let me just say this again so it's crystal clear. There is only one view that matters to me, mine! So your views are as useful to me as a "cellophane mouse being chased by an asbestos cat through hell"! If however you offer useful information that I can use to improve my experience you will have all the kudos I can muster, and move to the top of my "that guy knows what he's talking about list"!

8 minutes ago, SierraHotel said:

Let me just say this again so it's crystal clear. There is only one view that matters to me, mine! So your views are as useful to me as a "cellophane mouse being chased by an asbestos cat through hell"! If however you offer useful information that I can use to improve my experience you will have all the kudos I can muster, and move to the top of my "that guy knows what he's talking about list"!

Mmmm... so on a forum you only want people offering useful information to you ?

You might start your own forum 🤣

 

Edited October 16, 20205 yr by GSalden

6 minutes ago, GSalden said:

Mmmm... so on a forum you only want people offering useful information to you ?

You might start your own forum 🤣

 

I already have:-

https://www.facebook.com/groups/538945776862209/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1571953959750565/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/224091748465722/

Edited October 16, 20205 yr by SierraHotel

10 hours ago, Bert Pieke said:

And prioritizing Japan scenery over fixing their airplanes does not sit well with me.. 😉

Yes, but probably earned them pots of extra Yen to spend on fixing those airplanes. 🙂

54 minutes ago, paulscottrobson said:

not alpha quality

no testing

XBox

zero thought

Please make your wild exaggerations even more excessive. I think they've almost reached a critical mass of hyperbole and I'm keen to see what its gravitational collapse will be like.

Edited October 16, 20205 yr by JacquesBrel

19 hours ago, NBurgess said:

Whilst I have a great deal of sympathy with the OP's point of view, the last thing we need is yet another thread saying the same thing as countless others.

I find myself in the curious position of feeling that all my simming is rather unsatisfactory at the moment.  I would say that I previously spent my P3D time split around 70% tubeliner flying PMDG etc, and around 30% GA in my A2A fleet. 

Since MSFS arrived  I'm a bit unhappy with both.  I now look out of the window in P3D and meh, after MSFS, I'm really unhappy with the visuals.  I fire up MSFS and really miss any high quality addons.  I spend time in both, but neither quite cuts it for me at present due to the presence of the other !

I'm suppose I'm just going to have to be patient.....

+ 1 100% agree 👍

10 hours ago, Bert Pieke said:

 

And prioritizing Japan scenery over fixing their airplanes does not sit well with me.. 😉

I understand the frustration that I share, specially for the Caravan. Now we have been here for a long time, a lot of us, old simmers, have tried over the years to make sceneries and tweak or even make aircraft. The skills and talents which are necessary for both are very different. One can make a palatable scenery and be unable to do anything good  in the aircraft side (looking at me here).  I wouldn't be surprised if the team which made Japan is lacking the skills to do the aircraft flight & engine modeling and avionics. 

12 hours ago, rksoftware said:

Hi,

This is OP again. Just wanted to tell people here that I am not a TROLL, but a human being with my own opinion. 

No I don't think you are a troll. You just remind me of people who carelessly throw a  cigarette butt in dry brushwood and leave 😋. And yes, you are entitled to your own opinion and welcome to share it. Which does not make it right.

Writing concision is always good. But you were a bit short. Please explain why no other aircraft than the 172 is worth to fly and that you cannot fly MSF when the cloud and visibility are not enough for visual reference to terrain.  

1 hour ago, Elvensmith said:

Or for the civilian stuff, a built in mission generator or career mode to give a purpose - much as I love flying around sometimes it can get a bit abstract. That's something that has been a (lacking) feature of FS ever since I first fired up 5.1 all those years ago. The train sims give you a timetable to follow (in some cases you get the workings across the route for an entire day) or a list of cars that need to be picked up or dropped off at various locations en route. I know we have Neofly but it is really only suitable for doing short quick runs as you can't save (AFAIK) and resume the flight later and still pick up the job.

use FSEconomy for free or OnAir that gives you a full career progression as you get bigger and better planes, jobs have times to complete them by and there is level progression..  kinda adds MMORPG features to the sim.. (also have to say that OnAir has VERY active developers who respond to issues very quickly).   You can progress through all of the aircraft in MSFS started small and ending up with airliners if you wish.

As with all flight sims.. the sim is the basics.. the add-ons come from 3rd party devs.

Both the above are good..  in my opinion, even though there is a cost to OnAir, it is far better and you can try it for free.

Graham

2 hours ago, paulscottrobson said:

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I've been programming for over 40 years and this is one of the buggiest half finished bits of junk I've ever seen, and that's saying something. I'd be ashamed to put my name on this.

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Jokes on Asobo! They should have hired you! The Programming God himself!