Europe’s top aviation regulator said he’s satisfied that changes to Boeing Co.’s 737 Max have made the plane safe enough to return to the region’s skies before 2020 is out, even as a further upgrade his agency demanded won’t be ready for up to two years.

Boeing 737 Max Deemed Safe

I'll let somebody else be the first to try it............

OK so, the plane itself is deemed safe to fly, but I'd rather the actual crews have proper training to fly it....

ANY "safe to fly plane" will kill if the pilots are not trained in its operation,... just saying...🍻

Which would you do first:  Fly aboard the Max, or get a Covid19 vaccine shot?🙄

I'll take the vaccine. At least I'll have a chance to survive if it doesn't work.

7 minutes ago, W2DR said:

I'll take the vaccine. At least I'll have a chance to survive if it doesn't work.

Many many many others have survived the MAX. You act as if the airplane was falling out of the sky on a daily basis.

you should do some research on the first MAX crash. The lion air one. There’s some startling things about that crash that in honesty, had nothing to do with the airplane. 

When the time to fly again arrives, i'll ask straight away if it is a MAX. I just won't board that plane, i don't care what are the odds. Good luck for those who try it.

The problem has been fixed. What happened can't happen again, that's technically plain impossible. The other issues have been rectified as well. I understand the loss of trust in what the FAA says, but now there are at least 6 regulators who are not listening to what the FAA says this time around but do their own testing and certification with their own process and standards. The EASA has already said they expect to lift the grounding in Europe before the end of the year.

The point I'm making is that when 7 regulators come to the conclusion that it's safe and clear it to fly in their own airspace, independently from whatever the FAA does in the United States, what do people expect there to be 'left over' that would make the aircraft still unsafe?

Now all they have to do is fix the airline industry.

6 hours ago, ahsmatt7 said:

Many many many others have survived the MAX. You act as if the airplane was falling out of the sky on a daily basis.

you should do some research on the first MAX crash. The lion air one. There’s some startling things about that crash that in honesty, had nothing to do with the airplane. 

One falling out of the sky is already too many!

Many people died (passengers and pilots) due to the faulty plane's design (MCAS system) linked to both crashes. 

You should be ashamed of yourself with these wrong statements especially when so many people died.

3 hours ago, threegreen said:

The problem has been fixed. What happened can't happen again, that's technically plain impossible. The other issues have been rectified as well.

Yeah right, and Titanic was unsinkable too.

That 'can't happen again' claim is similar to the conclusion drawn on the March 23rd 1954 by the CAA, the British Government, B.O.A.C, deHavilland, and the Abell Committee with regard to the deHavilland Comet, following several crashes. So the type was allowed back into the air. But just over two weeks after that decision to resume flight, on April 8th, another one went down, killing everyone on board despite assurances from numerous official sources that it was all okay.

The 737 MAX is an old airframe design which they've tried to shoehorn too large a diameter engine onto, in an attempt to circumvent the costs of developing a new airframe to try and keep up with Airbus in the hopes of not losing the type certification, and in doing so, it has forced Boeing's aerodynamicists to jump through far too many FBW hoops with MCAS, to try to sort out its badly-located thrust line.

I wouldn't get on a 737 MAX if you paid me. The 737 was a great design in its day, but putting a NEO-type engine on it of that diameter, is like shoving a Big Block V-8 into a Model T Ford, leaving everything else original, then expecting it to not cause problems.

And I did fly on the deHavilland Comet a few times, after it was sorted, so it's not as if I wouldn't trust a genuine attempt to admit issues and fix them. As noted, that was on the completely revamped variants which DH made from 1958 onwards after they really found out what was up with the thing and completely redesigned it, at massive expense, and taking four years to do so.

This as opposed to leaving the problem as is, hoping an electronic gizmo will sidestep the issue, which is what the 737 MAX does. It's embarrassing; Boeing used to lead the world in aeroplane design, but now it's just a shadow of what it used to be as a name you could trust. And the ironic thing is that this fiasco has cost them way more than it would have done to develop a new airframe, but having spent more than that in compensation and such, they're still stuck with a design dating from the early 1960s.

Just goes to show you what we all know is true; trying to do things on the cheap is always false economy. If it wasn't for the fact that Covid 19 has meant many aeroplanes were grounded and sales of new types are on hold, it would have been an even bigger disaster for Boeing which might have seen them go under. The bosses at Boeing should be ashamed of themselves for trying to do things on the cheap, and they're not out of the woods yet, not by a long chalk.

Edited October 16, 20205 yr by Chock

4 hours ago, threegreen said:

 What happened can't happen again, that's technically plain impossible.

Wanna buy a bridge?

3 hours ago, killthespam said:

One falling out of the sky is already too many!

Many people died (passengers and pilots) due to the faulty plane's design (MCAS system) linked to both crashes. 

You should be ashamed of yourself with these wrong statements especially when so many people died.

What’s wrong about them? 

I would have no problem whatsoever riding on a Max. It’s issue had absolutely nothing to do with its roots in the older 737’s. It’s software issues are rectified. Also anyone who doesn’t understand the crews part in the accidents has no business condemning this plane for ever. But, the more people who won’t fly in one wil make my flights in them much more comfortable and pleasant. 😉 

12 minutes ago, Rbass said:

Also anyone who doesn’t understand the crews part in the accidents has no business condemning this plane for ever. 

You don't know what you are talking about in this case.

This airplane was designed with a software flaw in MCAS system. Boeing did not provide enough information on manuals or training for the pilots.

After the crash Boeing issued a bulletin regarding MCAS and instructed the airlines to train the pilots to use a checklist to help them in the case of uncontrolled stabilizer movement.