On 11/5/2020 at 10:40 AM, micstatic said:

please report back to this thread.  This is the exact path I'm looking at

Haven't had a chance yet to really test it but I'll report back as soon as I have a good idea on the improvements. 

System for reference: 4K, Gigabyte 3090 Vision, 3900X, 32GB 3600 RAM 

Edited November 7, 20205 yr by CaptainIronside

Short message. Today my RTX 3090 arrived. No performance gain within the P3D settings. Same Settings = same performance! I was already at 4K and also within VR

BUT: For the VR users! Crank up the VR Steam rendering scaling to whatever you like! I tested up to 350% and the card didn´t even bother to slow down.

That means....the output of P3D is maximized as it is. But now with my WMR Steam VR settings cranked up to 300% with more than native 4K output within my HMD, I can turn down the ssaa fps hungry setting to 2xmsaa or even none without any big noticable jaggies!

That is the evidence that the 3090 card is very good with rendering 4k and up! So also the simmers which use multiple screens should have major performance increase.

More to come....will now test some further settings

Marcus

System specs

Prepar3D_v5_Academic_5.1.8.26742

Edition Windows 10 Home
Version 2004
Installed on 20201025
OS Build 19042.572
Windows Feature Experience Pack 120.2212.31.0

Latest Nvidia Drivers

i9 10900K @ 5.0 Ghz | HT OFF | 1.32V
Mainboard ASUS ROG Maximus XII Formula Z490
32 GB RAM 3600 Mhz Corsair Vengeance | 4x8GB
RTX 3090 24GB
32" Samsung UHD Monitor using 4k
Custom Water Cooling | 2x 360MM | 1x 240MM Radiator
HP Reverb v2 VR HMD | Steam VR

Main Addons

ASP3D | 7514 Open Beta - TEMP Uninstalled due Incopat. with P3D latest Version 5.1
FSRGW
ChasePlane | Via ORBX
FSReborn Prof.
GSX 2
FSUIPC6
AIGAIM | Latest Version
SODE | Latest Version
MultiCrewExperience | Latest Version
Aerosoft Airbus A330 | Latest Version
Aerosoft Airbus A320/321 | Latest Version
PMDG 747/748 | Latest Version
QW787 | Latest Version
FSLABS A320X | Latest Version
FSLABS A321X | Latest Version
Navigraph Charts
ORBX Base
ORBX LC
ORBX TE NL
ORBX TE NCA
ORBX Regions
ORBX HD Buildings
ORBX HD Trees V1 & V2
REALTURB | All Continents
+200 Addon Aiports | via .xml method added

18 minutes ago, mpo910 said:

Short message. Today my RTX 3090 arrived. No performance gain within the P3D settings. Same Settings = same performance! I was already at 4K and also within VR

BUT: For the VR users! Crank up the VR Steam rendering scaling to whatever you like! I tested up to 350% and the card didn´t even bother to slow down.

That means....the output of P3D is maximized as it is. But now with my WMR Steam VR settings cranked up to 300% with more than native 4K output within my HMD, I can turn down the ssaa fps hungry setting to 2xmsaa or even none without any big noticable jaggies!

That is the evidence that the 3090 card is very good with rendering 4k and up! So also the simmers which use multiple screens should have major performance increase.

More to come....will now test some further settings

Marcus

System specs

Prepar3D_v5_Academic_5.1.8.26742

Edition Windows 10 Home
Version 2004
Installed on 20201025
OS Build 19042.572
Windows Feature Experience Pack 120.2212.31.0

Latest Nvidia Drivers

i9 10900K @ 5.0 Ghz | HT OFF | 1.32V
Mainboard ASUS ROG Maximus XII Formula Z490
32 GB RAM 3600 Mhz Corsair Vengeance | 4x8GB
RTX 3090 24GB
32" Samsung UHD Monitor using 4k
Custom Water Cooling | 2x 360MM | 1x 240MM Radiator
HP Reverb v2 VR HMD | Steam VR

Main Addons

ASP3D | 7514 Open Beta - TEMP Uninstalled due Incopat. with P3D latest Version 5.1
FSRGW
ChasePlane | Via ORBX
FSReborn Prof.
GSX 2
FSUIPC6
AIGAIM | Latest Version
SODE | Latest Version
MultiCrewExperience | Latest Version
Aerosoft Airbus A330 | Latest Version
Aerosoft Airbus A320/321 | Latest Version
PMDG 747/748 | Latest Version
QW787 | Latest Version
FSLABS A320X | Latest Version
FSLABS A321X | Latest Version
Navigraph Charts
ORBX Base
ORBX LC
ORBX TE NL
ORBX TE NCA
ORBX Regions
ORBX HD Buildings
ORBX HD Trees V1 & V2
REALTURB | All Continents
+200 Addon Aiports | via .xml method added

Well done Marcus. Enjoy your supercard 👍

44 minutes ago, mpo910 said:

Short message. Today my RTX 3090 arrived. No performance gain within the P3D settings. Same Settings = same performance! I was already at 4K and also within VR

BUT: For the VR users! Crank up the VR Steam rendering scaling to whatever you like! I tested up to 350% and the card didn´t even bother to slow down.

That means....the output of P3D is maximized as it is. But now with my WMR Steam VR settings cranked up to 300% with more than native 4K output within my HMD, I can turn down the ssaa fps hungry setting to 2xmsaa or even none without any big noticable jaggies!

That is the evidence that the 3090 card is very good with rendering 4k and up! So also the simmers which use multiple screens should have major performance increase.

More to come....will now test some further settings

Marcus

Thanks for the feedback Marcus, appreciated by all, I'm sure. Good to know I can look forward to my 3090 whenever it arrives 

Edited November 7, 20205 yr by Rockliffe

Thanks so much for the user report.  Do you happen to have any payware airports where dynamic lighting hammers your system?  I'm curious if in that case the 3090 pulls its weight.  Since I'm not a VR guy I was disappointed to read your post that I shouldn't expect a performance improvement if I get a new GPU.  But I appreciate you sharing.  

14 minutes ago, micstatic said:

Thanks so much for the user report.  Do you happen to have any payware airports where dynamic lighting hammers your system?  I'm curious if in that case the 3090 pulls its weight.  Since I'm not a VR guy I was disappointed to read your post that I shouldn't expect a performance improvement if I get a new GPU.  But I appreciate you sharing.  

I still have to test it more (Dyn-Lights). I will report back on this.

In short, all settings which are generally GPU bound (Shadows, Dyn-Lights, Dyn-Reflections, SSAA, textures sizes incl. terrain textures, etc) you can almost "max out" as they do not get the card to his boundaries.

Currently I am running the sim in 4k on a Samsung 32" monitor. I do use VR with Steam WMR VR set to currently 204% which equals almost 4k native per eye! So in total 3 screens at 4k. I did crank that one up to even 350%! No issues at all. But the visual difference was so minimal or even no noticeable that I reduced it to a level which allows me to turn the in sim AA completely off or alternative to 2xssaa and have some headroom. I am not sure how I will keep that. I have 2 options, that´s ok. 

Some markings, like taxi lines, do have still little jaggies....setting my AA to 2xssaa does not really eliminate them completely. I have to go higher and that will hammer my FPS and Frametimes. 

But I think that is "bad" P3D LM/Addon programming as you can see that my card is able to deliver a lot of pixels with no harm! But only by increasing the output outside P3D, within WMR Steam VR! That is remarkable as both will do the same. They both "increase" the output in terms of pixels. But via P3D it is hammering my FPS and Frametimes much more compared to doing it within WMR Steam VR.

All my testing is done in FSLabs A321 or 320 as they are the most taxing on my end. I set up at KLAX which is the most FPS killing airport in my setup. I do use ORBX LC and think these two LC regions at West USA are also not really optimized compared to newer LC products.

But by setting up my sim at the most "worse" location (FPS like spoken) will give me better performance at every other place I fly...mainly Europe!

More words the next view days.....no I have to "take care" of my girlfriend as she does indeed need some attention too! 😉

That´s the difference between Virtual Reality and Reality....VR I can turn off....without any feedback....the rest is up to you!

Have some nice flights.....and cross fingers LM will deliver our hard earned HF incl. lots of EA enhancements this upcoming week!

Regards Marcus 

 

 

That is why I desperately hope for a 3080Ti release shipping with 20GB VRAM. The 3090 is simply ridiculously expensive here in Switzerland and nowhere available. 1000$ for the 3080Ti would be a nice compromise... if they also cancel this card, I might get an AMD R9 6900XT instead...

I probably found the cause :

the Panasonic HDMI 2.1 controllers 

Every 3080 and 3090 has them. Even the latest XBox devices.

https://www.techpowerup.com/273852/bug-in-hdmi-2-1-chipset-may-cause-black-screen-on-your-xbox-series-x-console-or-nvidia-gpu

 

23 minutes ago, GSalden said:

I probably found the cause :

the Panasonic HDMI 2.1 controllers 

Every 3080 and 3090 has them. Even the latest XBox devices.

https://www.techpowerup.com/273852/bug-in-hdmi-2-1-chipset-may-cause-black-screen-on-your-xbox-series-x-console-or-nvidia-gpu

 

That´s annoying! Is there a work around for you Gerard? Or is this the only chipset you can use? Change TV 😉 is probably no option right? Although Flatscreens became very cheap these years.

 I cross my fingers you get it quick solved and get up in the air again!

Marcus

 

Hi Marcus,

Found a temporary workaround :

- Reset on both 4K displays 

- Main monitor (left) at 3840x2160 @ 30 hertz

- Second monitor (right) at 4048x2160 @ 30 hertz -> corrects the bezels in the middle !

- In P3D resolution at 4096x2160 @ 30 hertz and now I could stretch the viewover both screens

 

Downside :

- This only works in Windowed mode

- Top/Down 2160 pixels , but Left/Right just 4096

 

Postive :

2080’Ti :  FXAA / 2x MSAA / 8x AF

Clouds resolution : minimum

Cliuds shadows : high

Framerate in general : 35-55

Vsync on @ 25 hertz

 

3090 :     FXAA /2x SSAA / 16x AF

Clouds resolution: max

Clouds shadows : max

Framerate in general : 52- 82

Vsync on @ 30 hertz 

 

It all depends on the store (Alternate) if I will keep the card or return it.

Panasonic says that March 2021 the HDMI 2.1 issues will be solved.

 

 

1 minute ago, GSalden said:

Hi Marcus,

Found a temporary workaround :

- Reset on both 4K displays 

- Main monitor (left) at 3840x2160 @ 30 hertz

- Second monitor (right) at 4048x2160 @ 30 hertz -> corrects the bezels in the middle !

- In P3D resolution at 4096x2160 @ 30 hertz and now I could stretch the viewover both screens

 

Downside :

- This only works in Windowed mode

- Top/Down 2160 pixels , but Left/Right just 4096

 

Postive :

2080’Ti :  FXAA / 2x MSAA / 8x AF

Clouds resolution : minimum

Cliuds shadows : high

Framerate in general : 35-55

Vsync on @ 25 hertz

 

3090 :     FXAA /2x SSAA / 16x AF

Clouds resolution: max

Clouds shadows : max

Framerate in general : 52- 82

Vsync on @ 30 hertz 

 

It all depends on the store (Alternate) if I will keep the card or return it.

Panasonic says that March 2021 the HDMI 2.1 issues will be solved.

 

 

Is DP an option?  My 5K monitor didn't like HDMI either when I got it, had to change from HDMI to DP and then I got 5K@120Hz... 

5 minutes ago, psolk said:

Is DP an option?  My 5K monitor didn't like HDMI either when I got it, had to change from HDMI to DP and then I got 5K@120Hz... 

Hi Paul,

There is 1 DP Port and 3 HDMI Ports. With 2 monitors I will always need 1 HDMI port. 

The 4K tv’s have HDMI connections.

 

Ugh, sorry Gerard!  That's no good then, was hoping you had two DP ports but if the TV's don't support DP it wouldn't help anyway 😞  Sorry for the frustrations that's no good... 

47 minutes ago, psolk said:

Ugh, sorry Gerard!  That's no good then, was hoping you had two DP ports but if the TV's don't support DP it wouldn't help anyway 😞  Sorry for the frustrations that's no good... 

I made a mistake : I have 3x DP and 1x HDMI 2. 
My 4K tv’s have HDMI and DP connections.So all the time I was using DP on the card.

My apologies for the false info.

Tomorrow I will contact the store as there are 3090 with 2x HDMI 2.1 and 3X DP.

 

Edited November 8, 20205 yr by GSalden

1 hour ago, GSalden said:

Hi Marcus,

Found a temporary workaround :

- Reset on both 4K displays 

- Main monitor (left) at 3840x2160 @ 30 hertz

- Second monitor (right) at 4048x2160 @ 30 hertz -> corrects the bezels in the middle !

- In P3D resolution at 4096x2160 @ 30 hertz and now I could stretch the viewover both screens

 

Downside :

- This only works in Windowed mode

- Top/Down 2160 pixels , but Left/Right just 4096

 

Postive :

2080’Ti :  FXAA / 2x MSAA / 8x AF

Clouds resolution : minimum

Cliuds shadows : high

Framerate in general : 35-55

Vsync on @ 25 hertz

 

3090 :     FXAA /2x SSAA / 16x AF

Clouds resolution: max

Clouds shadows : max

Framerate in general : 52- 82

Vsync on @ 30 hertz 

 

It all depends on the store (Alternate) if I will keep the card or return it.

Panasonic says that March 2021 the HDMI 2.1 issues will be solved.

 

 

At least a Workaround which does help you out the coming time. 

your settings at the 3090 are pretty good. You don´t need to run an VC right? That has a positive influence on your FPS right? Sound amazing!

Well....I would directly build a cockpit A320 too...if my second part of me would not "kill me" if I did....;-)

But in meantime is flying in VR getting pretty good too. Framerates are getting better and better. It is getting smoother and last one is what counts. I can life with 45FPS which is the minimum FPS to run VR smooth. In most cases I can achieve this.

No heading from EDDM to LFMN.....shot hop just to test.

Thumbs Up for your setup!

Marcus

Edited November 8, 20205 yr by mpo910