Just now, andy1252 said:

Hi Noel, nothing complex added. I had changed a few parameters in the config file, like the LOD settings and a couple of other things, but all my other addons are just scenery packages or liveries - no actual mods as such. Plus, all my addons are via symlinks and very few were active when I left the sim working fine on Monday. Plus plus - I couldn't even start the sim today to let it do the latest update, so unless MS is using push technology to access the MSFS files directly without the sim up and running (which seems a bit sinister for even a conspiracy theorist) it can't have been anything to do with the latest update. Hence my suspicions about the actual store itself.

You need to update Windows 10, I'm on 20H2 now, OS Build: 19042.572. If you don't update Windows FS will not start

27 minutes ago, SierraHotel said:

You need to update Windows 10, I'm on 20H2 now, OS Build: 19042.572. If you don't update Windows FS will not start

Not true (at least not on my system). I have finished my sim re-install and it starts fine, and I haven't taken the 20H2 update yet.

Edited November 11, 20205 yr by andy1252
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While it's true that the new sim can create hours if not days of frustration, I still find myself using this sim more than the other sims. It's the new goto sim for me.

It's easy to forget the many hours and days and months of dealing with bugs, ctd, and all kinds of stuff pertaining to the other sims over these many years of simming( 40 years!). We have become somewhat impatient with products that are not polished right out of the door, yet we forget that our simming life since the first sim came out was never free of problems. I bet there is not one simmer today who wishes for the the good old days. There were no good old days---ever.

The moral of the story is to recognize that there are still the other sims( by now stable and still a lot of fun) for those of us who wish to wait until all the bugs and issues with the new sim have been resolved.

 

There are certainly things that can go wrong...

I have experienced:

- "MSFS cannot be found" after a systems restore. Total MSFS reinstall required.

- MS Store app does not show MSFS in My Library, but the online MS Store does.   After accessing the online MS Store, the MS store app also got updated.. 😉

- MSFS update turns into a partial reinstall after I changed an xml file in Vegetations to get fall textures (bad boy!)

The whole Store thing is very brittle, and the MS Chat Ambassadors are very nice, but do not have any useful information to contribute.. They simply do not know anything about this setup.

when i read about the new patch #6 i first wanted to start the sim to see if it start the update automatically, but no luck, klicking on the icon did nothing, not even a message, the sim did not start at all.

Looking at the MS store i see the MSFS but no hint about an update, just the install button, well i pressed the install button and what happend? The update started 😉

After that starting the sim with the icon worked, and in the sim the second update started too.

(The install button at the MS store confused me, i did not want to re-install everything but pressed the button anyway)

3 hours ago, EmaRacing said:

yea, everyone is a fan of bugsobo and everyone else's computer is garbage, until they get hit by some bug...😁

Funny.  I got hit with the USB profile bug in 1.10,7.0 but instead of mocking the developer,  I actually went on the forums and worked with others to try and find root cause.  Seems more productive than sitting on the sidelines insulting the developer and throwing out pithy one liners.  

Apple and Microsoft have the same market capitalization, about 1.5 trillion. The both got over the 1.5 mark this week. It's always easier to buy apps from the Apple store than Microsoft, and Apple sells more apps which keeps them in the race.

 

2 hours ago, flyforever said:

While it's true that the new sim can create hours if not days of frustration, I still find myself using this sim more than the other sims. It's the new goto sim for me.

Same for me. Hard to go back to any of the others. Just a bit disappointed with this particular ****-up though as it wasn't even really the sim, more the store setup. Which I didn't expect and really don't feel is acceptable. But hey, what am I gonna do?

2 hours ago, Bert Pieke said:

The whole Store thing is very brittle, and the MS Chat Ambassadors are very nice, but do not have any useful information to contribute..

Seems true, Bert. At least the reinstall is not too painful the way I have things set up.

@Noel Just so I'm clear about this, the phrase "a lot of people" could be very accurate here.  example: 12% of the people that did have problems could be 5,000 people.  Thats a lot of people....get my point?  I would be more interested in the statistic of what is more problematic....MS Store or Steam platform. I still stay behind my observation of complaints I notice more often about issues with the MS Store version.  You can defend it all you want but I'm gonna recommend to people what has worked great for me so far.

57 minutes ago, Brandon01110 said:

@Noel I still stay behind my observation of complaints I notice more often about issues with the MS Store version.

Sure--the number of people who purchase thru Steam are likely to be very small by comparison, so of course you are going to see lower numbers of complaints.  And your 'lot of people' was based on complaints from a few people so you don't really know the extent of this.  Complaints are very loud, often from the same few people--a very small percentage of people had any issues whatsoever w/ the Store version.  The fact is real persistent issues thru the Store are few and far between--you have to be mindful to make sure the MS Store App and Xbox App and Win 10 are all up to date and signed in correctly using the same creditials.  People are just learning about this now and I strongly predict those few who have problems will continue to diminish.

My bias is I don't desire yet another layer of installation software it's just adds potential for issues.

Edited November 12, 20205 yr by Noel

35 minutes ago, Noel said:

38 minutes ago, Noel said:

The fact is real persistent issues thru the Store are few and far between--

 

 

 

Does this mean that Steam is ok to buy and install, but for deep support MS store is better?

I mean are there 2 comparisons to this thread........a) buy it b) aftercare customer service

 

18 minutes ago, icewater5 said:

 

Does this mean that Steam is ok to buy and install, but for deep support MS store is better?

I mean are there 2 comparisons to this thread........a) buy it b) aftercare customer service

 

My only point chiming in here was to remark the extent of real problems thru the store is minimal, is vastly overstated by a few people here, so there really is no 'need' to involve the 3rd party that Steam is.  Just think about it:  do you really believe putting a 3rd party between you and the software adds something to reduce the potential for problems?  Steam has to comply 100% w/ what is required by MS and this de facto adds another layer of complexity that is not necessary.  But sure, it's ok to purchase thru Steam if that sounds better to you.  Both options will work.  As for who's better at aftercare?  The percentage of people needing 'aftercare' is very small, and I have no idea how and why Steam would be superior at 'aftercare' than MS is.

Edited November 12, 20205 yr by Noel

On 11/11/2020 at 11:10 AM, SierraHotel said:

You need to update Windows 10, I'm on 20H2 now, OS Build: 19042.572. If you don't update Windows FS will not start

I’m still running Win 10 1909 and MSFS runs fine.

Edited November 12, 20205 yr by JRBarrett

15 minutes ago, Noel said:

My only point chiming in here was to remark the extent of real problems thru the store is minimal, is vastly overstated by a few people here, so there really is no 'need' to involve the 3rd party that Steam is.  Just think about it:  do you really believe putting a 3rd party between you and the software adds something to reduce the potential for problems?  Steam has to comply 100% w/ what is required by MS and this de facto adds another layer of complexity that is not necessary.  But sure, it's ok to purchase thru Steam if that sounds better to you.  Both options will work.  As for who's better at aftercare?  The percentage of people needing 'aftercare' is very small, and I have no idea how and why Steam would be superior at 'aftercare' than MS is.

I hear you.

Actually i seriously dislike extra layers... just adds to the confusion. My instinct was MS store when i saw this new simulator (fwiw).

Nothing against Steam (millions use it). Then again MSFS simulator is not your average game.

 

Edit: iff you are right about "aftercare" is very small thats very good. Dont know where you get your data from but respect because i havent a clue.

I agree about "aftercare/support" My instinct would be MS store.

 

Edited November 12, 20205 yr by icewater5

If you decide to jump in via the MS Store:   https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/589207-help-insure-ms-store-installspatches-trouble-free/?do=findComment&comment=4404358