So I got my new i9 3090 etc etc PC the other day and after installing my 3D software and other odds and sods I gave MSFS a go. Compared to my current 1080ti it absolutely blew me away! I mean WOW! (Admittedly the LOD community addon patch helped scenery pop ups). I also noticed how sharp everything was on 1440 ultra so might change the file to soften it up a bit. Then I found out the liquid cooling was having a few probs and the CPU was getting too hot and throwing out the odd occasional beep. To cut along story short it was sent back a week ago and fixed. However, that area is now in Covid shutdown so I have to wait for them to send it back (not really important on the scale of things of course).

I'm 54 but it was like giving a child a shiny new toy and then having it snatched away again - still, I can now look forward to receiving it all over again!

1 hour ago, Beanoutback said:

So I got my new i9 3090 etc etc PC the other day and after installing my 3D software and other odds and sods I gave MSFS a go. Compared to my current 1080ti it absolutely blew me away! I mean WOW! (Admittedly the LOD community addon patch helped scenery pop ups). I also noticed how sharp everything was on 1440 ultra so might change the file to soften it up a bit. Then I found out the liquid cooling was having a few probs and the CPU was getting too hot and throwing out the odd occasional beep. To cut along story short it was sent back a week ago and fixed. However, that area is now in Covid shutdown so I have to wait for them to send it back (not really important on the scale of things of course).

I'm 54 but it was like giving a child a shiny new toy and then having it snatched away again - still, I can now look forward to receiving it all over again!

Who made that PC?

A friend of a a friend who builds them occasionally to earn a few $ - wanted to help and give them a chance (Will have to see how it goes though!)

3 hours ago, Beanoutback said:

So I got my new i9 3090 etc etc PC the other day and after installing my 3D software and other odds and sods I gave MSFS a go. Compared to my current 1080ti it absolutely blew me away! I mean WOW! (Admittedly the LOD community addon patch helped scenery pop ups). I also noticed how sharp everything was on 1440 ultra so might change the file to soften it up a bit. Then I found out the liquid cooling was having a few probs and the CPU was getting too hot and throwing out the odd occasional beep. To cut along story short it was sent back a week ago and fixed. However, that area is now in Covid shutdown so I have to wait for them to send it back (not really important on the scale of things of course).

I'm 54 but it was like giving a child a shiny new toy and then having it snatched away again - still, I can now look forward to receiving it all over again!

With the RTX 3090 you can afford to crank up the resolution scale to 150 and it will be even sharper. 

Air cooling is almost always better compared to water cooling. You get a higher noise-performance ratio, they're cheaper, and also they're easy to diagnose when they fail (fan doesn't spin). Plus the increased complexity of water cooling components means there's a lot of things that can go wrong, and they're not always easily identifiable when something fails.

Ask your buddy if they can swap out the cooling with a couple of Noctua fans for the CPU as well as case vents. They're known to be the best.

2 hours ago, Beanoutback said:

A friend of a a friend who builds them occasionally

A recipe for disaster. 

Yep, I know but hey, I'm trying to go all 'positive' in  my mid life. (No, I'm not sure why).

4 hours ago, FAZZ3 said:

Air cooling is almost always better compared to water cooling. You get a higher noise-performance ratio, they're cheaper, and also they're easy to diagnose when they fail (fan doesn't spin). Plus the increased complexity of water cooling components means there's a lot of things that can go wrong, and they're not always easily identifiable when something fails.

Ask your buddy if they can swap out the cooling with a couple of Noctua fans for the CPU as well as case vents. They're known to be the best.

This is just not true, my Kraken x73 cools my cpu between 10-20 c cooler when comparing it to air coolers.

5 hours ago, FAZZ3 said:

Air cooling is almost always better compared to water cooling. You get a higher noise-performance ratio, they're cheaper, and also they're easy to diagnose when they fail (fan doesn't spin). Plus the increased complexity of water cooling components means there's a lot of things that can go wrong, and they're not always easily identifiable when something fails.

Ask your buddy if they can swap out the cooling with a couple of Noctua fans for the CPU as well as case vents. They're known to be the best.

I have three 140mm Noctua case fans and an NH-D15 cpu cooler, I am very happy with that solution, the system is very quiet, it is barely audible and my cpu rarely works above 65c.

1 hour ago, eaim said:

This is just not true, my Kraken x73 cools my cpu between 10-20 c cooler when comparing it to air coolers.

Depends on the model. The Noctua's are known to beat every popular air and liquid coolers, whilst also being cheaper and quieter. 

@Fazz3 thanks for that. Those Noctuas  do seem to do rather well in comparison tests. Something I shall bear in mind if I decide to change in the future. 

Generally speaking something like an NH15 in a properly ventilated case will out perform any but the most massive AIO solution but cannot compete with a properly designed bespoke custom loop built from separate bits which if well designed can handle insane power limits.

There are two clear use cases where water is heads and shoulders better:

• a basic AIO in a tiny crammed ITX case with no airflow will generally outperform a low profile HSF in the same case
• well designed custom loops are the only way other than LN2  to cool stupidly overclocked machines running crazy voltages

 

Otherwise you are generally better off with a good tower HSF which performs better than anything but a massive AIO and is much less hassle than building a custom loop.

I suppose the other exception is if you happen to just really like the look of a triple RGB water cooled rig for street cred.  😄

 

Edited February 15, 20215 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

Lots of misinformation in here but i wont even bother to go into that. What i will address is the person who said recipe for disaster. Unless you know the guy and his background in building PC's please do not judge. There are very highly competent guys and gals who both do these things as a hobby and for a living. In my case no systems integrator is going to be as detailed as myself in assembling my desktop pc. I frankly dont even bother unless its something work issued and even then i still insist on customization before i use it. So hold your judgement until there is some proof of ineptness, laziness or something that really warrants that rush to judgement.

 

On 2/13/2021 at 10:43 PM, FAZZ3 said:

Air cooling is almost always better compared to water cooling. You get a higher noise-performance ratio, they're cheaper, and also they're easy to diagnose when they fail (fan doesn't spin). Plus the increased complexity of water cooling components means there's a lot of things that can go wrong, and they're not always easily identifiable when something fails.

Ask your buddy if they can swap out the cooling with a couple of Noctua fans for the CPU as well as case vents. They're known to be the best.

ok, you did say ALMOST but this is patently false. If you have a large box and don't  mind the noise the Noctuas can be quite effective, beating many AIO solutions  but definitely not all. If you have a small case short on room a liquid cooler is much more effective than air. Look at your entire system and decide based upon your specs.

 

This is a good article on why you can never really trust any cooler test:

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3561-cpu-cooler-testing-methodology-most-tests-are-flawed