So the Carenado Piper just "dropped" but I already own the Mooney. I adore the Mooney, and am generally interested in low wing planes of the type, but are the close enough where my money would be better spent on say, the Bird Dog? 

I almost bought the bird dog before, I like the plane, but the price tag was slightly higher than I can justify blowing. I can drop $20 on something without too much though because I'm clearly rolling in it, but $29 made me shy away. 

Where would you spend the money for an add-on aircraft for MSFS? 

Neither Bird Dog nor Carenado Arrow are good investment in my opinion. Wait for Just Flight Arrow next week. I looks more promising. 

27 minutes ago, beep boop said:

So the Carenado Piper just "dropped" but I already own the Mooney. I adore the Mooney, and am generally interested in low wing planes of the type, but are the close enough where my money would be better spent on say, the Bird Dog? 

I almost bought the bird dog before, I like the plane, but the price tag was slightly higher than I can justify blowing. I can drop $20 on something without too much though because I'm clearly rolling in it, but $29 made me shy away. 

Where would you spend the money for an add-on aircraft for MSFS? 

If you looking at more reasonable priced GA low wing single options the Piaggio P149 has received very good reviews and will eventually appear on the marketplace (right now only available direct).

Piaggio P149

http://atsimulations.com/focke-wulf-149-msfs

 

The other aircraft that will eventually appear on the marketplace that seems to get really good reviews is the cold war period G91 military jet which seems to be priced differently depending where you buy it.

Fiat G91

https://www.justflight.com/product/sim-skunk-works-aeritalie-fiat-g91-msfs

https://secure.simmarket.com/sim-skunk-works-fiat-aeritalia-g-91-for-msfs-2020.phtml

 

 

Edited March 7, 20215 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

21 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

If you looking at more reasonable priced GA low wing single options the Piaggio P149 has received very good reviews and will eventually appear on the marketplace (right now only available direct).

Piaggio P149

http://atsimulations.com/focke-wulf-149-msfs

 

The other aircraft that will eventually appear on the marketplace that seems to get really good reviews is the cold war period G91 military jet which seems to be priced differently depending where you buy it.

Fiat G91

https://www.justflight.com/product/sim-skunk-works-aeritalie-fiat-g91-msfs

https://secure.simmarket.com/sim-skunk-works-fiat-aeritalia-g-91-for-msfs-2020.phtml

 

 

Truth be told, the aircraft I really want, but don't know if anyone is developing it, is either the An-2, or the L1011. Also I like biplanes quite a bit. I haven't messed around with many jets, as I like messing with propeller settings to try and figure out how they work, but I'm open to suggestion. 

Fav period of flight is probably post war through the 1970s, where we had a lot of navigational aides, but you still had to fiddle with idiotic systems to use them (pre-GPS, steam gauge, you know what I mean). 

 

I like that little prop trainer you showed, I wish there was a DC-3 though, or something about that size. Not so big where my natural idiocy would constantly get me killed from lack of planning, but big enough where I have to think a bit more to grow as a sim pilot. 

There is a Dc-3 under development by Aeroplane Heaven.   An An-2 is also in the works.   Both look very good.  

53 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

If you looking at more reasonable priced GA low wing single options the Piaggio P149 has received very good reviews and will eventually appear on the marketplace (right now only available direct).

 

Am I correct in saying the Piaggio was previously on the store? I could have sworn it was, but I could be wrong (it has happened once before)

A PMDG quality Phenom 300 would be nice incorporating a simple route for the RXP GTN750 installation. iFly 737 and 747 as well and I would be a very happy man.

Tony

A2A had done such a great job with low wing GA aircraft in FSX and P3D that default MSFS was a bit of a let down for many of us, particularly the lack of decent steam gauges in most aircraft.  All the fantastic mods have helped, but the Mooney is still my Go To for decent speed, nice views and fantastic panel/graphics.  

If you "adore the Mooney", then there may be no need to complicate life or bruise your wallet at this point?  🙂

Edited March 7, 20215 yr by RobF2

21 minutes ago, RobF2 said:

A2A had done such a great job with low wing GA aircraft in FSX and P3D that default MSFS was a bit of a let down for many of us, particularly the lack of decent steam gauges in most aircraft.  All the fantastic mods have helped, but the Mooney is still by Go To for decent speed, nice views and fanstastic panel/graphics.  

If you "adore the Mooney", then there may be no need to complicate life or bruise your wallet at this point?  🙂

As an all A2A flyer for years, I love the Mooney. My next purchase is going to be the Just Flight Arrow. 

2 hours ago, RobF2 said:

A2A had done such a great job with low wing GA aircraft in FSX and P3D that default MSFS was a bit of a let down for many of us, particularly the lack of decent steam gauges in most aircraft.  All the fantastic mods have helped, but the Mooney is still my Go To for decent speed, nice views and fantastic panel/graphics.  

Who is this "us" you speak of?  The default aircraft in this sim far exceeded my expectations for default aircraft, I don't know anyone who actually expected them to be A2A quality, particularly when the whole Premium Deluxe Cheeseburger version of this sim went for the equivalent of 3 or so A2A aircraft..  

6 hours ago, Stoopy said:

Who is this "us" you speak of?  The default aircraft in this sim far exceeded my expectations for default aircraft, I don't know anyone who actually expected them to be A2A quality, particularly when the whole Premium Deluxe Cheeseburger version of this sim went for the equivalent of 3 or so A2A aircraft..  

Some of the default aircraft are not bad (putting aside the avionics and flying out of the envelope) but we could have expected more. A2A-grade, why not ?  There were many reasons for being hopeful : the much touted partnerships and meetings with manufacturers, the EP presentation videos, the « we have serious simmers in mind ».

There were two warning shots though, to put all this back in perpective. Martial Bossard speaking of putting the priority on the feeling of flight rather than on an engineer approach based on figures and to know, few weeks before release, that there were 30 aircraft coming at release. One can’t get quantity and quality specially when you cash early on the product.  So it was quantity rather than quality. The « next gen » sim was after all using the old marketing tricks of its predecessors.

All this is history but expectations were raised and not all were met. Thats life, I suppose ? 

Edited March 7, 20215 yr by Dominique_K

Carenado Arrow cockpit almost looks identical to the Mooney in what I have seen in the videos, so if you want something different I recommend you to wait a couple of days for Just Flight Arrow.

8 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

Some of the default aircraft are not bad (putting aside the avionics and flying out of the envelope) but we could have expected more. A2A-grade, why not ?  There were many reasons for being hopeful : the much touted partnerships and meetings with manufacturers, the EP presentation videos, the « we have serious simmers in mind ».

There were two warning shots though, to put all this back in perpective. Martial Bossard speaking of putting the priority on the feeling of flight rather than on an engineer approach based on figures and to know, few weeks before release, that there were 30 aircraft coming at release. One can’t get quantity and quality specially when you cash early on the product.  So it was quantity rather than quality. The « next gen » sim was after all using the old marketing tricks of its predecessors.

All this is history but expectations were raised and not all were met. Thats life, I suppose ? 

Good points to be sure but as an old timer like you with plenty of past experience with what default aircraft are like, I took all that as at least half marketing speak and tempered it with realistic expectations based not just on history but the concept that third party developers like A2A will always have the intent to raise the bar higher than default no matter how high the default quality may be.  It just seems part of their implied mission statement.

All academic now as you point out.

 

33 minutes ago, Stoopy said:

 third party developers like A2A will always have the intent to raise the bar higher than default no matter how high the default quality may be.  

 

So imagine what the A2A next generation would have been if the  MFS default were already A2A-grade 😉 ! Old boys can dream, can't they ?

2 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

So imagine what the A2A next generation would have been if the  MFS default were already A2A-grade 😉 ! Old boys can dream, can't they ?

Absolutely, and while we're at it, do we dare imagine that those old codgers wouldn't be too terribly disappointed and vocal when presented with commensurately higher product costs to fund that additional development effort and timelines necessary to make those dreams come true? 😉

On that note I'd wager that consumer reaction to costs would be a principle driving factor making companies like A2A think twice about trying to achieving such aspirational levels.  Otherwise, just because the default MSFS bar is set lower than their own standards, doesn't really mean they're prohibited from trying to exceed their own existing standards, right?

 

Edited March 7, 20215 yr by Stoopy