7 hours ago, Chock said:

Not released yet, but it'll be this:

 

Needs some major work with the magenta color slider...  Either that or significant mold remediation..

Edited March 23, 20215 yr by fppilot

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Edited March 23, 20215 yr by fppilot

15 minutes ago, fppilot said:

Needs some major work with the magenta color slider...  Either that or significant mold remediation..

 

Actually if you turn on the auto-translate in YouTube (my Russian is minimal and limited to aviation terms)  he says at 3:16  "the cabin will be completely new but this  is the old cabin for now" and "all textures will be redone".

Edited March 23, 20215 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

42 minutes ago, fppilot said:

Did anyone mention the RealAir Turbine Duke v2, with dual Reality XP GTN 750 GPS gauges?

Unless I am mistaken, that is not in MSFS 2020?

Aerosoft CRJ is first on the list.If you don't read the manuals and/or watch  some good videos then don't try to fly it. Your errors will reflect poorly on your determination to fly a plane without an autothrottle, good systems, a very worthy FMC and a top quality EFB.

The FBW, A320 is very simple to fly.Well assuming you've flown them in prior flight sims. 

5 hours ago, kaosfere said:

"Study level" is a useless benchmark, as its meaning varies from person to person.   I think rather than asking which aircraft are "study level", any particular user is more likely to find satisfaction if they identify what criteria are important to them, rather than assuming there's some definite magic line you cross to get a Congratulations, You Are Study Level! gold star and that everyone knows what that means.

If your definition of "study level" includes having a complete A2A-style physics simulation of things like hydraulic pressure and electrical loads, I think this is a full list of the planes that will give you that currently:

1.  

 

(Not an error.)

I haven't flown the CRJ myself, but I don't think even it meets that criterion.

If you're looking for a tubeliner that can let you sit back and watch the computer follow a magenta line with reasonable accuracy, the CRJ would probably do you good there, although it is not perfect.   The CJ4 with the Working Title mod would be a good alternative if you want something smaller.  We probably have the most comprehensive PL21 sim on the market except for the one by MilViz, and that's not available for MSFS yet.

If by "study level" you want a plane that has most of the normal checklists implemented which flies something close to the real thing, you have a lot more choices there.   There are a lot of community mods to the stock planes that have done great things with them.  The CJ4 and TBM are probably top of class there for the larger planes;  for small stuff the C152, the Diamonds, and the G36 are amongst those that have fairly well regarded mods for them.

Commercially I think you'll find the Just Flight Arrow is probably the best SEP available at the moment, though I'm sure folks will disagree.  More folks than not have said the FM is pretty good, it has a couple different avionics systems you can play with, and a little bit of systems persistence for fun. Surprisingly, in spite of the creator, the Carenado M20R is also quite good.

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I could go on, but I'm sure others can provide more suggestions once you share more details on what you're interested in.

TBM? What mod is close? Mugz mod helps in many ways (and I use it) but the engine modeling at eco, standard cruise, and performance charts are way way off.  My top priorities are flight models, when it comes to that the JF Arrow, CRJ, and probably the community modded 152 are darn good, props to da62x and da40ngx as well, so much work there, I also own the 149 and it's worth the purchase. 

5 hours ago, kaosfere said:

"Study level" is a useless benchmark, as its meaning varies from person to person.   I think rather than asking which aircraft are "study level", any particular user is more likely to find satisfaction if they identify what criteria are important to them, rather than assuming there's some definite magic line you cross to get a Congratulations, You Are Study Level! gold star and that everyone knows what that means.

If your definition of "study level" includes having a complete A2A-style physics simulation of things like hydraulic pressure and electrical loads, I think this is a full list of the planes that will give you that currently:

1.  

 

(Not an error.)

I haven't flown the CRJ myself, but I don't think even it meets that criterion.

If you're looking for a tubeliner that can let you sit back and watch the computer follow a magenta line with reasonable accuracy, the CRJ would probably do you good there, although it is not perfect.   The CJ4 with the Working Title mod would be a good alternative if you want something smaller.  We probably have the most comprehensive PL21 sim on the market except for the one by MilViz, and that's not available for MSFS yet.

If by "study level" you want a plane that has most of the normal checklists implemented which flies something close to the real thing, you have a lot more choices there.   There are a lot of community mods to the stock planes that have done great things with them.  The CJ4 and TBM are probably top of class there for the larger planes;  for small stuff the C152, the Diamonds, and the G36 are amongst those that have fairly well regarded mods for them.

Commercially I think you'll find the Just Flight Arrow is probably the best SEP available at the moment, though I'm sure folks will disagree.  More folks than not have said the FM is pretty good, it has a couple different avionics systems you can play with, and a little bit of systems persistence for fun. Surprisingly, in spite of the creator, the Carenado M20R is also quite good.

...

I could go on, but I'm sure others can provide more suggestions once you share more details on what you're interested in.

TBM? What mod is close? Mugz mod helps in many ways (and I use it) but the engine modeling at eco, standard cruise, and performance charts are way way off.  My top priorities are flight models, when it comes to that the JF Arrow, CRJ, and probably the community modded 152 are darn good, props to da62x and da40ngx as well, so much work there, I also own the 149 and it's worth the purchase. 

I am probably a bit out of phase with most people at Avsim as I think that the lack of super detailed study level aircraft you need a 100 page check list just to start the engine in MSFS is a good thing as that stuff scares away new players like you would not believe.

Edited March 23, 20215 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

The term "study level" is strictly a marketing term, invented to move product. And offering the "original Boeing manuals" as a download doesn't make a plane "study level".

There is a city in NM called Truth or Consequences. That sums up for me what the core of a SL simcraft is.

You fly true or there are consequences. The simcraft should encourage you to optimize the power (engine/propeller ; torque) and not redline for long, to care about your speed in any circumstance, to use wisely the flaps and gear, to pressurize the cabin when needed etc. Or else...  At the end of the day, this is what A2A or RA brought to the show with of course the subtle wizardry of their flight modeling. This is what SL is all about.

This kind of GA or warbird aircraft is not yet available. But that does not mean that what is available is bad. A default aircraft like the XCub or the 172 without mod and a payware like the FlyingIron Spitfire are not bad at all.

On the small jet side, I wonder whether the Goshawk and 339 are as good as the old L-39 which was pretty good in its own time. 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Ricardo41 said:

The term "study level" is strictly a marketing term, invented to move product. And offering the "original Boeing manuals" as a download doesn't make a plane "study level".

It is also a term used by the almost cult-like devotees of one or two specific flight-sim aircraft developers who produce enjoyable and perhaps somewhat comprehensive & immersive representations of a flying & flight experience. At the end of the day though, this is MFS, not Embry-Riddle or the United Airlines A320 simulator in Denver.

Edited March 23, 20215 yr by RustyFlyer

10 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

Here is my take on "study level".  "Study level" is aircraft which force you to read manual;otherwise, after first fly or you crash and die LOL

I've read one manual for the PIC 737 in 2007 and then watched a few video tutorials for the other planes. So I guess there's close to none. 😄

That's how I do it. Skim the manuals, then watch youtube videos, boiling it down to a quick checklist that gets me in the air quickly. 

I wonder why Continental hasn't offered me a job yet. 🤥

Edited March 23, 20215 yr by Ricardo41

13 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

I wish people would stop with the misleading thread titles....

Here I thought someone actually went to the trouble of putting a list together, which wouldn't be much trouble to begin with because the list is so short. 

First world problem ....

Study level for me answers the question, can I use the airplane to simulate flights and transfer the learning to the real thing? The JF Arrow III seems to fit that definition, but I don't have it yet because my MSFS is broken. This is the most unreliable sim I've ever purchased.

I've had to go back to XP11 and maybe might need to re-install P3D to get a stable platform that will allow me to simulate realistic flying to get back on track.