Well, there is a theory amongst ancient astronaut proponents that a rogue planet called Nibiru once entered the solar system and wreaked havoc when it passed close to Earth, causing upheavals such as the great deluge, or flood, mentioned in the Bible as well as in other ancient accounts from other cultures around the world.

Boy, I sure hope that theory is nonsense!

Dave

 

15 minutes ago, dave2013 said:

Well, there is a theory amongst ancient astronaut proponents that a rogue planet called Nibiru once entered the solar system and wreaked havoc when it passed close to Earth, causing upheavals such as the great deluge, or flood, mentioned in the Bible as well as in other ancient accounts from other cultures around the world.

Boy, I sure hope that theory is nonsense!

Dave

 

Actually, the bible is remarkably accurate - I once threw it and hit someone who was over 35 feet away.

21 hours ago, F737NG said:

That's the thing about gravity.
What started off as a thread about one thing, went in a completely different direction after a few posts exerted some force on its general direction...

Yes, and let me add...  We can't bust heads like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to tell 'em stories that don't go anywhere - like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Give me five bees for a quarter, you'd say.

Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...*

 

* Brazenly stolen from The Simpsons, season 4, episode 17, "Last Exit to Springfield".

A means to find out if its really a black hole...

https://scitechdaily.com/bold-plan-to-determine-if-planet-nine-is-a-primordial-black-hole/

“The outskirts of the solar system is our backyard. Finding Planet Nine is like discovering a cousin living in the shed behind your home which you never knew about,” said Loeb. “It immediately raises questions: why is it there? How did it obtain its properties? Did it shape the solar system history? Are there more like it?”

Nope, that would immediately raise the questions: 'what the eff are you doing in my shed? And what have you done with my lawnmower?'

Perhaps it is actually a Warp Gate...

55 minutes ago, n4gix said:

Perhaps it is actually a Warp Gate...

 

😮 I was thinking something similar this very morning.

This is my hypothesis. Ancient aliens, witnessing the genesis of a potentially intelligent species, decided to leave a micro black hole in our solar system. Knowing that one day, when we were technologically advanced enough, we would detect it, capture it, and use it as a power source for an Alcubierre warp drive.

Much like the micro black holes the Romulan's use in their warp drives.

As soon as we power up our warp drive they will of course detect the warp signature  and first contact will be initiated. 

I wonder if one of the Voyager probes will disappear into it, and be transported across the galaxy to a world populated by highly advanced machines, and then return inside a massive Solar System size cloud looking for the guy who made it.......

Martin and Chris, I do believe both ideas have merit and would make wonderful movies! 

I think it will turn out to be a wormhole of unknown origin.

Said wormhole can transport a few astronauts on a spacecraft to three potentially habitable planets, two of them orbiting a super-massive black hole named Gargantua.
Something, something, gravitational forces, time dilation, impossible to revisit children back on Earth, something, something, “solve the problem of gravity”, tesseract, love, something, something.

A highly plausible scenario. Certainly not Hollywood material...
🙃

14 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

I wonder if one of the Voyager probes will disappear into it, and be transported across the galaxy to a world populated by highly advanced machines, and then return inside a massive Solar System size cloud looking for the guy who made it.......

 

Aren't the voyager probes too far out now Chris? Not likely to be influenced by my micro singularity gift from the aliens? 

10 hours ago, F737NG said:

I think it will turn out to be a wormhole of unknown origin.

Said wormhole can transport a few astronauts on a spacecraft to three potentially habitable planets, two of them orbiting a super-massive black hole named Gargantua.
Something, something, gravitational forces, time dilation, impossible to revisit children back on Earth, something, something, “solve the problem of gravity”, tesseract, love, something, something.

A highly plausible scenario. Certainly not Hollywood material...
🙃

 

 

Wrong! I dismiss this nonsense! Its either what I said, a gift from the aliens for our future warp drive tech, or its a gateway which contains portals to many other universes. The gateway would have grown from proto-matter! Just make sure the Belters" don't get it. 

 

Edited April 4, 20215 yr by martin-w

41 minutes ago, martin-w said:

 

Aren't the voyager probes too far out now Chris? Not likely to be influenced by my micro singularity gift from the aliens? 

If this primordial black hole is supposed to be at the same distance from the Sun as the hypothetical Planet 9, then they are not far enough! The calculated distance of Planet 9 (based on the orbits of the known objects that it is supposed to be influencing) ranges from 200-250 AUs at perihelion to as far as 1200 AUs at aphelion. Even if the planet/black hole is currently passing through perihelion (not a likely scenario), it would still be at least 50 AUs further from the Sun than Voyager 1.

Edited April 4, 20215 yr by Christopher Low

20 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

If this primordial black hole is supposed to be at the same distance from the Sun as the hypothetical Planet 9, then they are not far enough! The calculated distance of Planet 9 (based on the orbits of the known objects that it is supposed to be influencing) ranges from 200-250 AUs at perihelion to as far as 1200 AUs at aphelion. Even if the planet/black hole is currently passing through perihelion (not a likely scenario), it would still be at least 50 AUs further from the Sun than Voyager 1.

 

I reject your version of reality and substitute my own. Its an alien gift. They love us. 

Take a look at the old radio magazines from the 1920's, an hundred years ago. Lots of stories about how the radio age will very soon reveal alien intelligent signals. And then came superhetrodynes about 1926 and for sure the messages would be found soon. In the 1930's technology raced ahead and we are all advised that contact was probably imminent. And then the 40's, wwii communications and radio telescopes networked together. The space age of the '50s and '60s.  21st century computer networks with millions of users joining in to participate in SETI, and on and on it goes.

How many times do you have to jump off the roof to test the reality of gravity before you believe the results? How many thousands of times do you observe experimental results before accepting the evidence that alien contact is almost surely not going to happen?

Take a look at the websites listing 100 and 1 ways civilizations can kill themselves off. Almost everyone on them resulting from advances in science spiraling out of control and running amok. Human existence is a blink of the eye compared to the history of Earth. It presumably will not take us long to erase ourselves from that timeline. Because we are not going to kill all the scientists to whom we look for solutions. So we are doomed, the entire existence of humanity having not been not long, relatively speaking.

We will never likely be journeying out to contact other civilizations, just as there have not been any recorded alien missions making it to Earth. Other civilizations, if there are or were any, will or have ended their existence, something like we shortly are almost certainly going to do. The end of the world. Because as knowledge increases asymptotically, some one evil thing is almost sure to spiral beyond control. The first virus grown artificially in non human tissue was done in about 1950. The faster we accelerate knowledge, the number of and the danger from global threats increase alarmingly.

It seems that surely some of the hypothetical other civilizations would perhaps have had say a ten million year head start on our civilization. Time enough to have learned to escape the bounds of time, speed, and space to penetrate the vast continuum which we ourselves cannot. But still, they are not here. And I believe it extremely unlikely that they will be, say in the next ten thousand years. And we will not likely be there. I doubt we will be here either.