April 3, 20215 yr So I’m new to RNAV and have finally nailed my first few full routes. question though, I’ve seen this done on videos at different times. When do you active APPR button? Before STAR before final Approach or when? Also does LOC and EXPED play are part in this or when are they used?
April 3, 20215 yr Before crossing the FAF or IAF (MSFS sometimes has bugs with the IAF depending on the approach). LOC(alizer) has nothing to do with RNAV. Non precision vs. precision. SAR Pilot. Flight Sim'ing since the beginning.
April 4, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, NZAA said: FAF IAF ? What is that? IAF: Initial Approach Fix FAF: Final Approach Fix I believe normally, you'd activate APPR mode when you're on the way to the FAF. In other words, when the FAF is your next waypoint is when you'd activate it. Now; in the sim and/or the aircraft it's going to be hit and miss. It's not all working correctly. Hopefully soon though. Edited April 4, 20215 yr by Jeff Nielsen Jeff D. Nielsen (KMCI) https://www.twitch.tv/pilotskcx https://discord.io/MaxDutyDay VENGEANCE a8200 Gaming PC: AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D, GeForce RTX 5080, 64GB DDR5, 4TB (2TB/2TB) M.2 SSD, Win11 Pro
April 4, 20215 yr Author 2 hours ago, Jeff Nielsen said: IAF: Initial Approach Fix FAF: Final Approach Fix I believe normally, you'd activate APPR mode when you're on the way to the FAF. In other words, when the FAF is your next waypoint is when you'd activate it. Now; in the sim and/or the aircraft it's going to be hit and miss. It's not all working correctly. Hopefully soon though. So if I was flying STAR RNAV23LS into NZAA and final approach from EMRAG where would I set APPR Here's the charts http://www.aip.net.nz/pdf/NZAA_33.17_33.18.pdf http://www.aip.net.nz/pdf/NZAA_45.1_45.2.pdf
April 4, 20215 yr 19 minutes ago, NZAA said: So if I was flying STAR RNAV23LS into NZAA and final approach from EMRAG where would I set APPR Here's the charts http://www.aip.net.nz/pdf/NZAA_33.17_33.18.pdf http://www.aip.net.nz/pdf/NZAA_45.1_45.2.pdf When you're on the way to FF05R. Edit: Sorry wrong RWY, but same principle. FF23L Edited April 4, 20215 yr by Jeff Nielsen Jeff D. Nielsen (KMCI) https://www.twitch.tv/pilotskcx https://discord.io/MaxDutyDay VENGEANCE a8200 Gaming PC: AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D, GeForce RTX 5080, 64GB DDR5, 4TB (2TB/2TB) M.2 SSD, Win11 Pro
April 4, 20215 yr 4 minutes ago, Jeff Nielsen said: When you're on the way to FF05R. Actually if approaching RWY23L wouldn't that be just before FF23L?
April 4, 20215 yr In the real airplane, the glideslope indicators come alive as soon as the FAF is the next active waypoint. At that point, you would push APR on the autopilot. In MSFS, this is all garbled,,, unfortunately. Bert
April 4, 20215 yr 28 minutes ago, Baron2829 said: Actually if approaching RWY23L wouldn't that be just before FF23L? Yes, read my edit. It was there before you read it. 🙂 It doesn't matter. When the FAF is the next waypoint, you arm. Jeff D. Nielsen (KMCI) https://www.twitch.tv/pilotskcx https://discord.io/MaxDutyDay VENGEANCE a8200 Gaming PC: AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D, GeForce RTX 5080, 64GB DDR5, 4TB (2TB/2TB) M.2 SSD, Win11 Pro
April 4, 20215 yr If you fly the TBM with the relevant mods, as you're heading towards the final approach fix, it'll say on the bottom right of the PFD next to the waypoint" "faf", which I assume means final approach fix. I've flown dozens of rnav procedures in the sim and never had more than a couple of problems. I activate the appr button as soon as I'm headed to the faf, gp is armed then turns to green. Does it work "like in the real thing"? Probably not. Then, again, it's a $70 game, so I'm not crying about it.
April 4, 20215 yr Theoretically you should engage appr once you have intercepted the glideslope, or shortly prior. Of course you should already have been established on final once this occurs. AppR mode will just tell the f/d to pick up the glideslope for your vertical guidance and this mode should work either with or without the autopilot being on. But until the g/s has been intercepted it's fine to just leave it in nav mode since the localizer will still be tracked regardless of nav or appr mode (both modes track the loc). Edited April 4, 20215 yr by hangar Dave Kalin Excel Classes Computer Lessons
April 4, 20215 yr 6 hours ago, NZAA said: How do you know what the FAF is? It's on the RNAV approach chart. For example the IAF here is at DUBBI and the FAF at GEBAY. On this chart you have 3 different IAF depending on where you are approaching from which all lead to the FAF at OSDUE Edited April 4, 20215 yr by Phantoms James
April 4, 20215 yr 5 hours ago, NZAA said: How do you know what the FAF is? On the charts I use here in the USA the IAF and FAF are labeled. On the charts you attached above the IAFs are clearly labeled. The FAFs appear to be identified with a symbol ╬. Except for the glitches that are still present in MSFS you would routinely engage APPR mode after passing the IAF. Frank Patton Corsair 5000D Airflow Case; MSI B650 Tomahawk MOB; Ryzen 7 7800 X3D CPU; ASUS RTX 4080 Super; NZXT 360mm liquid cooler; Corsair Vengeance 64GB DDR5 4800 MHz RAM; RMX850X Gold PSU;; ASUS VG289 4K 27" Display; Honeycomb Alpha & Bravo, Crosswind 3's w/dampener. Former USAF meteorologist & ground weather school instructor. AOPA Member #07379126 "I will never put my name on a product that does not have in it the best that is in me." - John Deere
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