On 4/26/2021 at 2:35 PM, bobcat999 said:

I had it spinning constantly all the way between Flagstaff and Sedona last night - About 15 to 20 minutes - and I mean constantly without a break - strange! 

I think it was a one-off bug or got stuck, as it doesn't normally spin for that long; the flight was fine anyway, with expected performance.

Next time it starts popping up for prolonged periods, I will try this logging in and out process to see if it cures it.

By the way, I think I get a slight pause or stutter just when it appears for the first time.  It is more the visual distraction that is the problem for me rather than anything performance wise.

Now I fly nothing but Warbirds fast and low, I can have it on all the time.

Took off from KTVL in the Citation L to KSLC, flawlessly smooth and we're now about to start descent.  I've opened up the Console twice, each time there with new entries after clearing the logs with the little clear all button to the right of each category.  So cleared those off each time.  Haven't seen a dervish yet so this is fabulous!  it could be you don't start seeing the dervish until those logs get to a certain threshold of amount of logged errors, warnings, messages.  Perhaps once it hits that threshold data is sent to MS/Asobo, versus stored only in the log caches. Really, what is begged is disabling logging in that console.  Is this possible does anyone know?

Edited April 28, 20215 yr by Noel

Do we have a consensus on what the spinning circle is?? I was getting it ALL the time and I tried the console trick and it worked great. Smooth on takeoff and touchdown and barely any spinning circle..very smooth. But anytime you start a new flight you have to do it...I have like 2000+ messages. I can clear them temporarily it seems, but they come back after I start a flight and have to go into dev mode to clear them before I get a smooth experience.

I've found that all you have to do to stop the spinning circle is switch on dev mode and then switch it off. There no need to delete anything and now the esc bug if fixed it isn't too much of a pain.

2 hours ago, jarmstro said:

I've found that all you have to do to stop the spinning circle is switch on dev mode and then switch it off. There no need to delete anything and now the esc bug if fixed it isn't too much of a pain.

Interesting! I will try this.  I normally clear the  console messages as well, but I will try it without doing that.

Went back and looked at all my videos over the past month and don't see the spinning circle, also a bunch of screen shots, same. I think and could be wrong, that it is indicating that it is interacting with the servers, and your internet speed depends how often you see it? Like I said, I have no clue and proof to back this up. Mine hardly ever spins, or is so quick when it does, not even noticeable. Will we figure it out?

1 hour ago, in2tech said:

Went back and looked at all my videos over the past month and don't see the spinning circle, also a bunch of screen shots, same. I think and could be wrong, that it is indicating that it is interacting with the servers, and your internet speed depends how often you see it? Like I said, I have no clue and proof to back this up. Mine hardly ever spins, or is so quick when it does, not even noticeable. Will we figure it out?

I think there could be something in that as over the last few months, I've been having a few internet problems with slow speeds.  When these issues arise, I see a lot more of the spinning circle until I reboot my router and get my speeds back.

Fortunately, BT have now found and fixed the issue and I see a bit less of it.  I still can't be 100% sure if it is indicating disk access or scenery download though TBH.

1 hour ago, in2tech said:

Mine hardly ever spins, or is so quick when it does, not even noticeable. Will we figure it out?

I hope so!   For me it is one of them random MSFS things.  Somedays it spins almost constantly, other days I barely see it. 

I have tried swapping servers, no joy. The dev mode thing and clearing out the console messages definitely seems to help though.

2 minutes ago, cianpars said:

I think there could be something in that as over the last few months, I've been having a few internet problems with slow speeds.  When these issues arise, I see a lot more of the spinning circle until I reboot my router and get my speeds back.

Fortunately, BT have now found and fixed the issue and I see a bit less of it.  I still can't be 100% sure if it is indicating disk access or scenery download though TBH.

I think it could be a few things (when accessing or saving any kind of data), but yes, internet could well be one of them. 

I do have fairly slow internet.  Openreach have said I am 12 weeks away from getting ultrafast fibre - they have been saying 12 weeks away for the last two years! 

6 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

  I normally clear the  console messages as well, but I will try it without doing that.

 

What's the deal/reason for clearing the console messages? I don't ever use devmode but I keep seeing this mentioned, so curiosity has got the better of me 😄

10 hours ago, jarmstro said:

I've found that all you have to do to stop the spinning circle is switch on dev mode and then switch it off. There no need to delete anything and now the esc bug if fixed it isn't too much of a pain.

I"ve noticed that, however a caveat to this however is that if you do this AFTER you've launched the flight (that is, if you hit FLY from the Welcome screen where you set up your flight plan) you will lose logging of the flight in the log book, FWIW.

What I've done lately to solve both the annoying/micro-stuttering spinner AND resume logging of flights, is do a short test flight where I clear the console from the Welcome screen, so not after launching a flight.  This helps for sure, but what has happened recently is I did a very short test flight--about 10m in the Citation L (that's tricky!)--then started my next long flight (KACV>CYYJ), but the dang spinner appeared 5 or 6 times before TO, then proceeded to spin constantly, I mean never stopped after TO for several minutes.  At that point I hit RESTART (the flight, that is).  I cleared the console again.  RESTART as you know takes you into the flight however, and I've not seen the spinner now and I just got to TOC.  I'm expecting this flight won't be logged because, once again, I was in the flight when I opened Dev Mode to clear the console.  We can be confident turning Dev Mode on (and off again after clearing the console), will always prevent the flight from being logged.

I've also noticed, despite the idea of doing a 'test flight', which is done because you need to go thru one flight where you cleared the console PRIOR to launch, is that there appears to be a certain number of events or type of events that must be captured at least once once MSFS is run, correlating w/ the spinner appearing.  For example, at the end of pushback the spinner may appear.  Then, acknowledging clearance for TO, another event is recorded and w/ it the spinning indicator.  So the 'test flight' needs to be sufficiently long enough to capture all of these.  IOW, you have to do a substantial flight where you will get some spinner, but not as much as you would if you had not cleared prior to launch.  But after this, you won't see the spinner at all during all subsequent flights until you close MSFS, and then re run MSFS again, at which point the ritual starts again.  Nasty bug but a work around anyway. 

And jarmstro, I think yes you can substitute turning Dev Mode on and off substitutes for 'clearing the console'.  I should probably just give up on logging flights in the log book since this is piece that requires all of these shenanigans.

Edited May 26, 20215 yr by Noel

It's funny, I'll load into a flight and have the spinner constantly. On initial load in, turning to taxi, starting the roll, wheels off, then periodically during flight, wheels down, taxi, etc. It seems to be a state saving thing which makes sense if you clear the console and its not logging the flight. I'd rather it not log the flight and have a smooth flight without microstutters?

I have gigabite internet and if I don't clear the console I get the spinning circle all the time, regardless of where I fly, rolling cache on/off etc. Interesting note about the test flight.

If I go back to the main menu and start a new flight, I'll always get the spinning circle. As soon as I go into dev mode and clear it, the spinning circle immediately stops. But I have to do it EVERY time I start a new flight, regardless if I quit the sim or not.

Well, I've got both going again, no spinner, and flight being logged:

1. Open MSFS > Options > General > Turn on Dev Mod, clear log
2. Create a flight plan KTPA to KTMB, about 176nm in the Citation L.  As the Citation L spawned at the chosen gate, when it appeared it was already lurching forward maybe 10 feet, I don't know why as engines are off.  I hit RESTART w/o hitting FLY.  Spawned again jumping forward ~10'.  So I slewed backwards to position where it should have spawned to.
3. Started and completed flight, shut down engines/avionics, logged correctly, and I saw the spinner quite infrequently, maybe every 5 minutes or so but did happen at some choice times for example when a wide body jet landed and you could see the hiccough when the spinner appeared.  I turned about 80% of this flight over to AI to control...while I made dinner..  Perhaps the warmup test flight can be done by AI completely, which we will try in Hawaii a little later, so will shut down MSFS first.
4. Hit Back to Main Screen from the logbook dialogue
5. Then, created the flight I'm in now, NZAA > YSSY, about 1100nm.  So this was a 2nd flight, w/o shutting down MSFS between flights, and with never turning on Dev Mode after hitting FLY to launch the flight from the planner nor after spawning at the departure gate.  From engine start to shutdown the spinner never displayed even once, and the flight was captured in the logbook, FWIW.

Now off to another flight in Hawaii, PHKO>PHLI, Aloha!

Wonders never cease!

After the West Coast server decided to take a nap for a few hours, at least from my ISP's perspective, I turned the PC back on to see if the server was back, and voila it is.  So off we go, this time, virgin MSFS start, I decided to live w/ the reduced rate of the salad spinner that happens when, on a virgin MSFS start, you go into Dev Mode from the Main Screen, before initiating creating a flight plan in the Welcome Screen, and clear the console.  So off we go now, no short/test flight first, from YBBN>YMHB.  Not a hint of the spinner and we're 100nm into the flight!  Wonders never cease!

Also, the new MSFS splash screen appeared for the first time for me, and this wasn't there after Sim Update 4.  I have to wonder how often Asobo does little fixes etc as 'stuff' changes w/o warning, sometimes in a good way.  I won't hold my breath but weird, not a single spinner!