33 minutes ago, rka said:

So taking years is quick? See what the competition is doing. Also, I didn't mention Vulkan.

New lighting is a small improvement. Took how long? Oh, it's not even public. Weeeeell 😄

 

 

 utter nonsense; 

Just to comapre:

1) MSFS took about 1 year to make an XBOX DX12 version on *fixed hardware* and no 3pd party support overhead. still not released.

2) Xplane took 2 years (may stand corrected here, I joined 11.50) to implement Vulkan AND Metal (2 APIs!) , for windows, linux or android and ios, with tens of 3d party investments had to be kept alive.

This is not slow, it is darn impressive. and if you giggle then go ahead and try it your self, hell is probably a pleasant place compared to Vulkan development.

On the other hand, very much worth it and we'll see it when they rebuild the rendering pipeline and get better use of multicore.

 

Edited July 6, 20214 yr by akita

8 hours ago, Cameron XA said:

It was more or less a way to hype up the fact they are paying attention to their bigger market (airliners)

Check the xplane dashboard 🙄 😁

 

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1 minute ago, peroni said:

Check the xplane dashboard 🙄 😁

Don´t let the dashboard fool you. It will include all the 1.000.000.000 times that developers start up X-Plane to check something (like when I make scenery) and which airplane do they choose when doing so? One that loads up quick -> C172.

There are many "iffy" facts on that dashboard...just look at the most popular "starting locations". Number 2 is CYSB.... really?

 

12 minutes ago, Janov said:

There are many "iffy" facts on that dashboard

It's the only official source of data we have. 
Blog post here https://developer.x-plane.com/2019/06/usage-data-never-goes-out-of-style/

I would have expected KSEA to be the top starting location considering it is the default one. Maybe you can have a word with Tyler... oh wait 🙂 

5 minutes ago, peroni said:

I would have expected KSEA to be the top starting location considering it is the default one.

Yes, its kinda puzzling! I believe that PHNL is top, because it loads really fast (being on Hawaii) and therefore everyone trying to load XP really quick (like when testing an aircraft) will pick an island location (my favourite is TXKF on Bermuda).

Cheers, Jan

 

2 hours ago, rka said:

So taking years is quick? See what the competition is doing. Also, I didn't mention Vulkan.

Comparatively speaking - yes.

Bens been working on new lighting for at least 5 or 6 years, well before XP11 was released. New water even longer.

Proof of concepts/tech demos tend to be quick - 3 or 4 months. Taking it to market much much longer: Generally 10 to 15 years from tech demo to consumer product that can have a real warranty attached and not worry about refunding people that arent happy.

Flight sim is even harder than most, because cutting corners shows and people will rightly complain.

Exactly the same applies here to what I said when the last sim started previewing its "fleet" - creating a realistic simulated aircraft is harder than making a real one, because you have to do all the things done for the real one (including flight tests by people with at least some experience in flight testing), but also simulate all the physics the real world gives you for free.

On top of this, Even XPs Boeing systems are not fit for purpose. If the airbus systems are of similar quality and similarly locked up closed source in sim with similarly limited SDK support absolutely no one will get any benefit from them.

Hyped not really the word I would use.

 

4 hours ago, mSparks said:

The pot of money to get things done is the same.

True, but the target customer is NOT the same. Everyone has different wants and needs. The video comments itself are proof of that. In fact, a very large group of Laminar customers do NOT participate in any third party purchases. They are not the same customer as many others on here, and the insane depth level of simulation for them isn't required to bring enjoyment. Laminar knows this, and Microsoft knew this when they created all of their mediocre aircraft too. And, at the end of the day the Laminar team is always going to be people who have been around X-Plane long enough to understand a good chunk of the development cycle to get things done, whereas Microsoft has a major game development house. It's not apples to apples in philosophy. 🙂

4 hours ago, mSparks said:

If it is a partnership with JAR it seems strange not to announce it, if not - hey, maybe they are also bundling X-Aviations best sellers as well.

It's not a partnership at all. It's in-house, for the I don't know how many times has been stated.

4 hours ago, mSparks said:

Its all round just a very strange video, one they (or anyone) could have made at any point in the last 5 years.

Airliners need new displays, not a fuselage.

Tell that to all the people who went nuts with excitement in the video comments. Just goes to show you may not always be right.

Edited July 6, 20214 yr by Cameron XA

2 hours ago, peroni said:

Check the xplane dashboard 🙄 😁

 

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You're missing another simple fact: The airliner side of things has been relatively lacking in what to even use. Laminar knows and sees that. Those stats don't tell the truth that the airliner market is larger (and knowing sales data of third party sales, I can re-iterate that a million times). 🙂

Edited July 6, 20214 yr by Cameron XA

19 minutes ago, Cameron XA said:

Tell that to all the people who went nuts with excitement in the video comments. Just goes to show you may not always be right.

Dont need to, they can just go download

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/40465-airbus-a330-neo/

And have everything shown in the video right now.

Their excitement comes from an expectation it will be more than that, but the video didnt show them anything more.

Just now, mSparks said:

Dont need to, they can just go download

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/40465-airbus-a330-neo/

And have everything shown in the video right now.

Their excitement comes from an expectation it will be more than that, but the video didnt show them anything more.

You know it's okay to be humbly wrong every now and again, right? 🙂

Anyways, all good. You're entitled to your opinion, just don't project it on others as if it's "The Word". It's not.

Microsoft is a perfect example of this. There's a reason they're targeting XBox (hint: it's not for the study level crowd).

At the end of the day, it's not always about what you, me, and a ton of others on a niche corner of an internet forum want. There's a much larger user base out there that we never get to interact with here, and they certainly don't have your same mindset in what brings them entertainment.

Majority of Laminar's customers never step a virtual foot in a forum or third party store at all. That's important to remember.

Cheers, @mSparks!

2 hours ago, peroni said:

Check the xplane dashboard 🙄 😁

 

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It's pretty meaningless because the data, as far as I can see, is cumulative rather than current? It in no ways shows recent usage.

Just now, Cameron XA said:

There's a reason they're targeting XBox (hint: it's not for the study level crowd).

Absolutely - and I have said as much.

1 minute ago, Cameron XA said:

Majority of Laminar's customers never step a virtual foot in a forum or third party store at all.

True that, they order their planes fully customised to their wants from bespoke 3rd party developers.

Just now, mSparks said:

True that, they order their planes fully customised to their wants from bespoke 3rd party developers.

No. They (I said majority of Laminar's customers) do nothing but fly the default aircraft. Period.

4 minutes ago, Cameron XA said:

No. They (I said majority of Laminar's customers) do nothing but fly the default aircraft. Period.

Actually, as per the dashboard (if it wasn't down) they only really fly the zibo and Jar A330, with the occasional Santa's sled, or C172 with REP for GA.

Edited July 6, 20214 yr by mSparks

11 minutes ago, Cameron XA said:

No. They (I said majority of Laminar's customers) do nothing but fly the default aircraft. Period.

I thought X-Plane was aimed exclusively at serious simmers and real world pilots. Plebs having fun aren't wanted. So I've been led to believe. If what you say is true I would guess that majority of Laminar's customers will have jumped ship.

i would guess that majority of Laminar's customers bought XP as an impulse buy and use it until they are bored before moving on to something else. Ditto MSFS.

Edited July 6, 20214 yr by jarmstro