7 hours ago, fppilot said:

So seeing some goalposts more once again.  G1000/G3000 and autopilot fixes as an example.  Now pushed to a 2021 and a 2022 hotfix. 

That's because Working Title will be working on them, they weren't with Asobo a year ago and they're clearly working on the NXi now.

As for the rest as others have said, priorities change, they're never set in stone.

Edited October 8, 20214 yr by MarcG

9 hours ago, pmb said:

Saw this, too. This would provide a large connected enhanced region for VFR flying.

Kind regards, Michael

If they can squeeze Greece in as well I’ll be a happy bunny.

4 hours ago, DAD said:

Isn’t that Italy 😉

I'd rather think that would be a certain island that is proud of it's splendid isolation even if that means that people can't use their cars anymore... 😉

Double post

Edited October 8, 20214 yr by Belgarath

On 10/7/2021 at 11:11 PM, omarsmak30 said:

I love the screenshots for James Bond movies locations 😄

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Screenshot by DaveBGaming – Millenium Dome from The World is Never Enough

I seem to have missed that movie.🤔

8 hours ago, 109Sqn said:

I seem to have missed that movie.🤔

What, you've never seen it? Personally, though, I preferred the often forgotten The World is Sometimes Enough 🙂

Seems to me that SU6 is the sort of update that's been needed for a while - less on new features and more on bug fixes.  A consolidation release if you like.

Although still nice to see some upgrades to VR.

Edited October 9, 20214 yr by Malcolm Street

On 10/7/2021 at 8:51 PM, fppilot said:

Bert, I am still not pleased with what was represented in pre-release "trailers" and still not present in the sim.  Then couple those with moving dates for improvements. May not do good as you question, but calls to task are clearly in order.  If elements are not truly in place they should not be promoted as such.  That is my continuing rub!  And the rub is no longer about the pre-release trailers and representations.  Today they are about represented dates made in the interim that now continue to move.  And move, and move.  

Promise? Deliver!  Do not promise if not certain of delivery.  

Guess I am spoiled.  I spent my working career for three different industry leaders and all three would have reigned in such representations before any were broadcast.

It's a dev roadmap, not a list of guarantees or "promises".

Reactions like this are precisely why developers typically don't like giving transparent release windows for things - because whatever they say will be interpreted a promise, instead of a worklog subject to setbacks, re-prioritization, etc.

5 minutes ago, Scottoest said:

Reactions like this are precisely why developers typically don't like giving transparent release windows for things - because whatever they say will be interpreted a promise, instead of a worklog subject to setbacks, re-prioritization, etc.

Observations like yours are typically reserved for products under development and testing, not products introduced and marketed.  And it is key to point out here the reference I made to pre-release trailers.  Those were clearly representations.

Edited October 9, 20214 yr by fppilot

1 hour ago, fppilot said:

Observations like yours are typically reserved for products under development and testing,

MSFS is under constant development, so this observation does work.

None of those dates are promises, they're estimates.

Edited October 9, 20214 yr by Tuskin38

16 hours ago, fppilot said:

Observations like yours are typically reserved for products under development and testing, not products introduced and marketed.  And it is key to point out here the reference I made to pre-release trailers.  Those were clearly representations.

As above, MSFS is a " Constantly developing title" which means nothing is 'promised' and that all "release dates" for selected items can and will shift as priorities and development change. The sooner you understand that the sooner you can appreciate what a rough guide these roadmaps are, it's the same for every single constantly developing software title out there.

Sure it's annoying when certain areas you're personally interested in slip month after month, but that's just the nature of software development.

6 hours ago, MarcG said:

Sure it's annoying when certain areas you're personally interested in slip month after month, but that's just the nature of software development.

I am not a software engineer.  I am a consumer.  I did not adopt MSFS with a prior understanding that it was a product "in development",  lacking attributes and features that had for some time been available in other sims, much of that admittedly from 3rd parties, but nonetheless capabilities already existing.  I cannot recall the last time as a consumer I adopted or paid for any product under development. 

My experience has improved significantly since SU5 and the subsequent HFs, but there are as I mentioned already existing simulation capabilities that have not been embraced or replaced.  With that in mind "under development" is actually "under developed".

AVSIM community: "We want transparency! We want transparency!"
Also AVSIM community: "Features delayed??? HOW DARE YOU ASOBO!"

Tell me how many other large software companies request and actually implement consumer feedback and release detailed public roadmaps for a $60, non-subscription based game? News flash: 90% of modern software, apps, websites, "platforms", etc. are held together by bubble-gum, are in a constant state of disjointed development, and are likely one line of code away from imploding and leaking all of your personal data to the world. If you don't like that, you'll need to take it up with shareholder capitalism.

1 hour ago, fppilot said:

I am not a software engineer.  I am a consumer.  I did not adopt MSFS with a prior understanding that it was a product "in development",  lacking attributes and features that had for some time been available in other sims, much of that admittedly from 3rd parties, but nonetheless capabilities already existing.  I cannot recall the last time as a consumer I adopted or paid for any product under development. 

My experience has improved significantly since SU5 and the subsequent HFs, but there are as I mentioned already existing simulation capabilities that have not been embraced or replaced.  With that in mind "under development" is actually "under developed".

Well then no disrespect but it's your own fault for not researching the product before purchasing or waiting a few weeks/months after to gauge the general opinion of the title. It was well known before release it would be a constantly developed product that much was obvious.

5 hours ago, MarcG said:

Well then no disrespect but it's your own fault for not researching the product before purchasing or waiting a few weeks/months after to gauge the general opinion of the title. It was well known before release it would be a constantly developed product that much was obvious.

But that is unadulterated BS! And totally contradicted by pre-release trailers.

I am now enjoying MSFS, despite deficiencies. And by the way.  I did wait 30 days and from what I saw and read during that 30 days it appeared gaps would be closed in weeks, not years.  Thus my frustration with moving goalposts!  You and I can end this dialog. We are on very different pages in totally different books.  There were clear representations in pre-release footers on aspects like weather, traffic, ATC, and more that are still today, after a year, not up to par with products previously in the market.  Catch the last line, in italics,  in my message footer.  

Lets compare this to a hypothetical intro of a new brand word processor compared to today's current WP standards.  That a year after release, and following its Program Update 4:

Word Wrap - PU5
Color Selection in Font Formatting - PU 7 or PU8
Find and Replace function - under investigation
Spell Checker - PU7 or PU8
Auto Completion - 2022
Two-Sided Page Printing - not planned
Mailmerge - started
Print to PDF file - not planned
 

Edited October 10, 20214 yr by fppilot