1 hour ago, cavaricooper said:

I just upgraded to a 11900k and a 3080Ti and so will sit tight, but it’s good to see you posting news… I’ve missed that 🙂

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Have you posted your findings anywhere?  I'd love to see your results at 2K or 4K res.

1 minute ago, ryanbatcund said:

I'm just not understanding how accurate that 1080P bench can be....    there's a miniscule difference between the flagship intel cpu and the 12600K.  I believe at higher resolutions that difference would be greater.  

If you look at the 4k benches of various games, using the same video card with different cpu's 4k is the great equalizer. You actually don't see a great difference between the different chips at 4k. 

With regards to how close the 12900K is to the 5900X and 5950X, I really wonder how AMD's coming refresh of the 5000 series is going to perform. 

So far having watched three 20 minute videos of benchmarking, the 12900K is the new king of gaming performance. However it loses out to 5950X in creation / production benchmarks. 
Some reviewers have chosen not to look at the 5950X at all, which gives a somewhat skewed perspective, even though the 5950X is about $150 more expensive at this point. 
I'm really expecting AMD to drop prices shortly to retain the competitive edge. 

This MSFS benchmark is an oddball with regards to the 5950X, but like others have mentioned this might have been due to the Windows 11 Ryzen bugs. 
The 12900K is also benefiting from scheduling performance benefits in Windows 11.

Edited November 4, 20214 yr by Republic3D

4 minutes ago, ryanbatcund said:

I'm just not understanding how accurate that 1080P bench can be....    there's a miniscule difference between the flagship intel cpu and the 12600K.  I believe at higher resolutions that difference would be greater.  

Maybe it is time to invest in AMD - though I'm not sure how well AMD would work on next gen XP platform either....traditionally AMD wasn't great with XP11.  Seems to be totally fine in MSFS.

Intel's advantage here is that the platform is brand new. AMD's AM4 platform is having its last hurrah with the 3dvcache.. I would recommend intel at this point if your going in  brand new to be honest.

Edited November 4, 20214 yr by Maxis

1 minute ago, CaptainNick said:

If you look at the 4k benches of various games, using the same video card with different cpu's 4k is the great equalizer. You actually don't see a great difference between the different chips at 4k. 

Even when the systems are still limited by the CPU?  

1 minute ago, ryanbatcund said:

Even when the systems are still limited by the CPU?  

If you benchmark with an RTX 3090, the game will not be limited by GPU unless you go to the 2k - 4k resolution territory.
It's always going to be the CPU holding back the performance. So that's why they test with low resolution and a top tier GPU. 
It gives a clearer picture of which CPU can deliver the most frame rates.
If you test at 4K with a 3060, all the CPUs in the test will perform the same. Ergo the test would be useless. 

2 minutes ago, Republic3D said:

If you test at 4K with a 3060, all the CPUs in the test will perform the same. Ergo the test would be useless. 

They can't test at 4k with a 3080 Ti?  Then pick a scenario where msfs is main thread limited?

Just now, ryanbatcund said:

They can't test at 4k with a 3080 Ti?  Then pick a scenario where msfs is main thread limited?

It would likely be very close or similar to a 3090. 

Sure they could test that, for example by flying over complex scenery and seeing which CPU performs the best.
I'm main thread limited on my system when I fly over Manhattan or downtown LA. 

Would be interesting to see the results. Hopefully someone with an MSFS interest will test it specifically. 

Just now, ryanbatcund said:

They can't test at 4k with a 3080 Ti?  Then pick a scenario where msfs is main thread limited?

Unless a reviewer is going to specialize in testing for specifically MSFS 2020 and test at every resolution until the scene is cpu bound this is a tad unreasonable.

The reviews are going to be standardized to facilitate multiple gaming titles to find as easily as possible a way to measure true cpu performance.

Some reviewers will go up to 1440p and 4k but that is alot of work and with flightsim flipping between gpu/cpu  within seconds depending on scenario the data would be compromised.

I'm just skeptical of the MSFS test in general.  A user might think "oh it's a waste of money to purchase a 12900K vs a 12600K"  How many people with high end CPUs are still running at 1080P?  Steam may say 65% of its users are but I guarantee not everyone is running the highest CPUs.

I have ordered the 12900K together with a new Z690 MB and DDR5 RAM today. It was quite an investment ... Still curious about shipping times.

1 hour ago, Maxis said:

No .. Don't find it weird. The 5950x has x2 ccx with 8 cores and a slower base clock of 3.4ghz  but a theoretically higher boost clock of 4.9ghz/ both the 5900x and 5600x have higher base clocks of 3.7ghz with the 5900x having 6 active cores in its double ccx layout and a boost clock of 4.8ghz and with the 5600x having only 1ccx of 6 cores so no inter ccx latency to deal with and a boost clock of 4.6ghz.

However 

Based on the boosting algorithm and power management heat has to be factored in and after enabling PBO and +.2 ghz boost overclock you have situations where the 5950x is not as efficient as the other two counterparts because more cores + its accompanying heat are factored in. Example .. After tuning my chip 5900x can reliably operate at 5 to 5.1ghz. I have tuned 5600x chips to operate at 4.825ghz with no issues. 

Have to choose the correct chip for the job .. Especially when it comes to AMD cpus .. More isnt necessarily better. Most review sites acknowledge that for all practical purposes the 5900x is AMD's fastest gaming chip. 

Good job on intel for catching up. However from these benches i guess there is no reason for me to sell and switch .. (Especially with those motherboard prices)

Waiting on the 3dvcache 5900x equivalent.

Cheers

Oh no 😭 , my bad.  

Thanks for impart , sir.

this is from guru 3d earlier this year just as an example...

 

Biggest difference is at 1080p

Edited November 4, 20214 yr by CaptainNick

20 minutes ago, CaptainNick said:

this is from guru 3d earlier this year just as an example...

 

Biggest difference is at 1080p

Alright, can't argue with numbers I guess.  Seems backwards to me - interesting.