1 hour ago, fppilot said:

I believe it has little to do with the beta hotfix.  I am also now experiencing accurate live weather and I have not joined the HF beta.  Remaining issue weather-wise for me is the overdone haze. mostly when reported skies are clear and 10 miles visibility.  Yesterday MSFS again presented me with less than one mile visibility upon landing at KDAL.

Almost every one of my approaches, no matter the weather, winds up with some very  low clouds, making the runway only visible when I am on a 1-2 mile final. Be glad when they get this fixed. 

ATIS/AWOS has improved but still has a flaw.  I routinely listen to ATIS for airports along my route for mid-to-long range flights.  That to keep my altimeter setting current.  (I detest pressing the B key)  What I am noticing is that I can tune in the ATIS for a particular airport from a distance out.  It reads out the weather for that airport.  The airport name or its call letters are called out in the broadcast.  I often check that with the current metar for the same airport using the Fltplan.Go app on my iPhone. 

What I have observed is that when tuned to an ATIS and still a bit of distance out, the weather specs given often represent the metar for another airport that is nearer to my current position at the time.  That happened to me again today between Ft Smith, Arkansas, and Springfield, Missouri.  I was tuned to Springfield ATIS where the current metar altimeter was 29.99 inches.  The broadcast said it was Springfield, by name, but the altimeter was given as 30.05.  That and most of the remainder of the broadcast instead closely matched the metar for Fayetteville, Arkansas, which was nearer.  Four minutes later I listened to Springfield ATIS again and it then matched the Springfield metar.   The same thing happened to me later when I was between KTBN and my destination of KSUS.  I tuned and the broadcast confirmed by name the ATIS as KSUS (Spirit, St Louis), but the weather given was a match for KTBN (Waynesville Regional).  Three minutes later I listened again and that second time in matched KSUS.

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Causing temperature spikes referenced in your first post? No, they would be separate issues

 

And that's why I haven't installed the beta as of yet. The sudden change in temp at altitudes above FL300 is my only issue. I don't mind slight variances in the cloud coverage(live vs actual). FlybyWire says live weather is causing this issue and to use preset weather. Could this be a FBW specific issue? 

4 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

Almost every one of my approaches, no matter the weather, winds up with some very  low clouds, making the runway only visible when I am on a 1-2 mile final. Be glad when they get this fixed. 

Stock or beta?

16 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

Of course the kids were not in such hurry but Neumann was to do his marketing dance.

Although I basically agree with you, Dominique, I don't think that Jörg Neumann is alone to blame for this. I have worked in a fairly senior position in a huge corporation (BASF) almost all my life, so I guess, I know a little bit about how they function. Yes, Neumann is in charge of MSFS, but in a corporation as big as Microsoft, that division is still rather tiny. And he is fairly new in Microsoft, as his old company was taken over by Microsoft, which means, he has to be careful. As we all know, we, the troublesome avsim crowd, are not of big interest to Microsoft (maybe to Asobo, but not to Microsoft), the money is in the XBox market. So I believe that Neumann is not the driving force behind all these hastily launched updates. He is being told by someone higher up to keep pushing. But, there is a litle sign of hope though, even large coporations are sometimes able to adjust: the next update will cover only fixes of previous updates. My BASF CEO once told me during dinner that big corporations have boringly strict regulations, you as an employee has to live by, otherwise the corporation as a whole cannot function. To be successful and happy in such an environment, it is your job to find the loopholes, and there will be many, where you can shape your business to what you think is needed and beyond of what is expected from you. I found mine and I used BASF with all their financial might almost as my own private company; so yes, I can say I was extremely happy in my job! I hope for all of us that Jörg Neumann will eventually find those loopholes in Microsoft too. 

Edited December 16, 20214 yr by bernd1151

16 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

Of course the kids were not in such hurry but Neumann was to do his marketing dance.

Sorry, triple post, no idea why

Edited December 16, 20214 yr by bernd1151

16 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

Of course the kids were not in such hurry but Neumann was to do his marketing dance.

Sorry, triple post, no idea why. And I can't delete it.

Edited December 16, 20214 yr by bernd1151

5 minutes ago, bernd1151 said:

Sorry, tripple post, no idea why. And I can't delete it.

It's Ok³

And you doubled up on the "p's" in triple LOL!

Just now, fppilot said:

It's Ok³

And you doubled up on the "p's" in triple LOL!

Hahaha, many thanks, I have corrected this one.

20 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

But hey! the kids really wanted this Porter, Super Hornet etc  really bad. Of course the kids were not in such hurry but Neumann was to do his marketing dance.

 

I wonder how you come up with these fantasy interpretations of Asobo's intent.

19 hours ago, jcomm said:

It's pretty much the result of too many tasks being run at the same time by ASOBO, who AFAIK had never dealt with the kind of data that makes up a flight simulator.

They did their best so far, but they surely must need time and not be constantly rushed by the MS SU / WU rate.

MS is playing "The Hen that laid Golden Eggs" with ASOBO !...

You have a vivid imagination. Any facts to back up your claims?

19 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

Stock or beta?

I've asked this question at least  a half dozen times. It never gets answered. 

If you want real improvment install the beta and give feedback. 

Edited December 16, 20214 yr by Ricardo41

13 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

If you want real improvment install the beta and give feedback. 

I feel many simmers (including me) would love to participate in the open beta, but after scores of testers on previous "flights" were surprised by being forced to re-download the entire sim, I think a substantial number have decided to "hold short" on this "opportunity".  

What was that again you were saying about vivid imaginations?

 

11 hours ago, bernd1151 said:

I don't think that Jörg Neumann is alone to blame for this.

A thoughtful post with which I agree for the most part having also spent my professional life in large entities (including playing the loophole game  😉). 

The problem we have as users is that he is a weak manager, I mean by that he has no control at all on strategic parts of the products, Bing or Azure or even maybe the shop. To win the funding, he has sold to corporate a project tied in too  tight a business plan with no real experience of managing such a huge project. And the MS bureaucracy doesn’t allow him much leeway now.  This project seems to be managed by a plan drafted 6  or 7 years ago instead of a living person.

I’d say that this is compounded  by a cultural dimension. His marketing culture reminds me some ads you see on American TV late at night or on the Saturday morning cartoons . Can’t say that I am fond of it.

Edited December 16, 20214 yr by Dominique_K

I wonder why every thread that starts out dealing with real issues (in this case a semi-serious question about Live Weather) veers off into insulting Asobo and Microsoft (mostly through wild speculation about their "management styles).

To get back to the topic at hand:

The public beta and the update to the public beta improves the depiction of Live Weather, but the improvement is inconsistent and still needs work (who would have thought?)

Concretely,

1. Haze depiction has improved
2. Cloud height above ground more closely matches the Metar - this seems to have been further tweaked by the update to the public beta.

 

 

On 12/15/2021 at 5:46 AM, irocx said:

Well good, because that's simply not allowed at Avsim. 😉

🤣

On 12/15/2021 at 12:43 AM, guenseli said:

ok, found it after a few seconds:

Live Weather Report - Community / News and Announcements - Microsoft Flight Simulator Forums

The inconclusive statement referenced by the link that you found "after a few seconds" of very cursory (to be generous) research clarifies nothing in connection with the OP's fair question, and it says nothing about the underlying causes of the weather issues. The referenced statement simply states that:

"The weather feature is a complex system and we are working to solve the issues..."

The entirety of the MSFS structure is a complex system, yet the problems associated with the live weather are not [as] apparent in other features of MSFS. Obviously, the OP was hoping to learn the nature of the [programming] issues that makes resolving the woes of the complex system of live weather in MSFS so profoundly difficult. Your link advances nothing toward that end.