Skymaster 337 in Marketplace?

[Dominique_K 10,149]

2 hours ago, 6297J said:

 t I can't help feeling slightly disappointed. The interior textures look a bit too much like a straight port from FSX to me. Can't put my finger on it but its missing something. The panel is too bright maybe.  

I am not surprised. Thats me some years ago 😉 ! I had the FSD then the Carenado models in FSX and 2k2. I flew the FSD quite a bit, a favorite of mine then, passing to the FSX Carenado was a meh experience. Sub-par cockpit but, worse, a bland flying experience

[Brownshortz 26]

The plane seems very underpowered to me. Although to be fair it may be like that IRL I guess.

[turbomax 3,286]

58 minutes ago, harrry said:

without showing this yaw handling so many people started using it as a shortcut.  

which is a waste except for the 337. I am very aware of all that yaw/non yaw. so what good does that for your personal safety to have a multi-engine rating for anything non-337 when push comes to shove in a "real" multi-engine twin? if you get the rating in a Skymaster the rating will have a centerline thrust limitation. Having a multi engine license (centerline thrust only) does not allow you to fly a conventional twin in the US. you log it as multi engine time, annotating centerline thrust in your log. You must get a separate multi engine rating to allow you to fly a conventional twin. The difference between a ME and a ME w/ centerline thrust restriction is the Vmc demonstration (5min maneuver).

that's why airlines train their pilots in real twins, not 337s.

https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/2015/Nov/FAA-S-8081-14B-Pvt_PTS.pdf

https://mycfibook.com/book_pages/vmc-demonstration/

Edited January 15, 2022 by turbomax

[harrry 322]

When the Skymaster was released in Australia and I understand in the US the Skymaster fulfilled the requirements for a multi engine rating.  Remember this was nearly 60 years ago. Quoting 2015 documentsa means nothing in relation to my  post.

 

[turbomax 3,286]

Before this airplane there was only a multi engine rating. The FAA later changed the rating to be a multi engine centerline thrust rating (for the 337) that doesn't count when flying a regular multi.

[Bobsk8 12,733]

7 hours ago, Brownshortz said:

Yep...that's always been my problem with VR. I find after about 15 minutes I can't wait to get the thing off my head lol. When they get to the stage where you just have to wear a pair of glasses I may reconsider.

I experienced the same thing, after about 15 minutes, I was done with it. All right for a few minutes, can't imagine doing a 1 1/2 hour flight like that. 

[Bobsk8 12,733]

2 hours ago, harrry said:

In real life you need a multiengine rating for dual engined aircraft. This requires demonstration of handling of engine failure.  When an engine fails on normal twin engined aircrafts the aircraft will yaw towards the failed engine.  In the Skymaster the aircraft does not yaw.  Handling the yaw on engine failure well is one of the signifigent items to pass. On the skymaster there is no yaw.  It was possible to get a multiengine rating on Skymaster without showing this yaw handling so many people started using it as a shortcut.  

And then if they wound up in a normal twin, had an engine failure,they probably crashed. 

Edited January 15, 2022 by Bobsk8

[harrry 322]

I made a statement on what happened.  It was used as a cheap way of building multiengine hours with a multi engine ratings.  I am sure most pilots do value their lives and did in fact at some stage got further training possibly related to an actual type rating required aircraft.  The FAA and  I am sure DCA changed their rules subsequently but like many things 60 years ago was a time where authorities concerned themselves mainly with things that came to their attention to going out and looking for the smallest infraction.  I am not saying which is right, just that this was the case.

[styckx 1,871]

I was so looking forward to this and.. I'm not getting the same "positive vibes" as their previous two releases. I could be wrong but the ONE PLANE we were all lusting for seems they took the old school Carenado approach.. "It's shiny, and goes in the air".  

[bobcat999 8,483]

I dare say there will be a mod on flightsim.to soon to reduce the green tint on the windows.    I do understand a lot of them have this in real life, but I am not too keen on it.  

[Republic DC9 234]

I have to say I’m in love with this strange looking beauty!

I was having some problems with fishtailing from side to side upon landing (I get this with JustFlight and Carenado planes), but have found applying the brakes right after touchdown seems to help.

[Stoopy 1,571]

1 hour ago, styckx said:

I was so looking forward to this and.. I'm not getting the same "positive vibes" as their previous two releases. I could be wrong but the ONE PLANE we were all lusting for seems they took the old school Carenado approach.. "It's shiny, and goes in the air".  

Maybe we'll get lucky and eventually see another sexy Cessna twin coming out eventually (cough cough milviz 310).....

[regis9 4,014]

4 hours ago, turbomax said:

I am very aware of all that yaw/non yaw. so what good does that for your personal safety to have a multi-engine rating for anything non-337 when push comes to shove in a "real" multi-engine twin?

It was a short cut, not necessarily a good idea.  Seems the FAA agreed when they closed the loop hole with a centreline dual rating.

Overall it’s what I expected, fun to fly and a unique design/sound set.  Happy with my purchase.

[flyinpilot212121 724]

4 hours ago, harrry said:

In real life you need a multiengine rating for dual engined aircraft. This requires demonstration of handling of engine failure.  When an engine fails on normal twin engined aircrafts the aircraft will yaw towards the failed engine.  In the Skymaster the aircraft does not yaw.  Handling the yaw on engine failure well is one of the signifigent items to pass. On the skymaster there is no yaw.  It was possible to get a multiengine rating on Skymaster without showing this yaw handling so many people started using it as a shortcut.  

In Canada, if you get your “multi” on the C337 you are not certified to fly a conventional twin such as a Seminole. But if you get your conventional multi rating, you are certified to fly the C337.

[bobcat999 8,483]

One of Ryan's repaints up already.  Nice colours!

https://flightsim.to/file/26303/red-grey-and-blue-livery-for-carenado-c337-skymaster