9 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

It is clear and not subject to any doubt : Microsoft commitment to MSFS is as firm as it has been for the Kinect. You can also look forward to its adaptation to Hololens 3.

I cannot quite tell if you're being sarcastic or not... ?

Kinect is dead as far as gaming is concerned.

https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/kinect/

However has found a niche as Azure Kinect for robotics, medical and other forms of enterprise imagery.

And Hololens 3 ... well...

https://www.pcworld.com/article/611416/report-microsoft-hololens-is-dead-as-its-mixed-reality-vision-implodes.html

Let's not forget the honorable mentions of the following items Microsoft have killed, admittedly some deservedly.

• FSX (Sold so well I heard MS actually ran out of packages and licensing keys for a time)
• Microsoft Flight (MS's first real attempted entry to payware expansion, except their implementation was doomed to fail given the small world area and limited aircraft, FSX was it's competition and it destroyed MS Flight)
• Flight Sim World (Yes DoveTail cancelled but only because Microsoft's licensing fees made it financially unviable).
• Windows Phone (Dud iPhone wannabe)
• Nokia (What better way to sell your dud iPhone wannabe than to buy a phone company that then imploded and burnt 10 billion US $$ with it)
• Zune (Dud iPod wannabe)
• Windows 8 (this train wreck took down MS's CEO and head of Windows development, clearly a case of the "Emperors New Clothes" was going on)
• Technet (I really miss TechNet).

And of course Microsoft said Windows 10 would be the last Microsoft operating system version we'd ever need.

I know Asobo said their development is a 10 year plan, but are they talking from when they first started or when they first released ?

From what I heard they started some 5 years prior to actual release, so 3 years left ?

Time does pass faster than you'd think 😉

Cheers

 

Edited February 4, 20224 yr by Rogen

1 hour ago, Rogen said:

Let's not forget the honorable mentions of the following items Microsoft have killed, admittedly some deservedly.

• FSX (Sold so well I heard MS actually ran out of packages and licensing keys for a time)
• Microsoft Flight (MS's first real attempted entry to payware expansion, except their implementation was doomed to fail given the small world area and limited aircraft, FSX was it's competition and it destroyed MS Flight)
• Flight Sim World (Yes DoveTail cancelled but only because Microsoft's licensing fees made it financially unviable).
• Windows Phone (Dud iPhone wannabe)
• Nokia (What better way to sell your dud iPhone wannabe than to buy a phone company that then imploded and burnt 10 billion US $$ with it)
• Zune (Dud iPod wannabe)
• Windows 8 (this train wreck took down MS's CEO and head of Windows development, clearly a case of the "Emperors New Clothes" was going on)
• Technet (I really miss TechNet).

And of course Microsoft said Windows 10 would be the last Microsoft operating system version we'd ever need.

 

Let's not forget 

Microsoft Kin

Windows Live Messenger Suite

Media Center

 

This is what I think when developers announce they're going MSFS only. At least keep minimal resources on Xplane if not P3D. I've experienced every one of those you've mentioned (RIP Lumia, phone)  so anything outside of Windows and Office, I take with a grain of salt coming from Microsoft.  

9 hours ago, Rogen said:

cannot quite tell if you're being sarcastic or not... ?

Who knows 🤣 ?

But I’ve been known to use sarcasm now and then.

Edited February 5, 20224 yr by Dominique_K

So your argument is that it's better to stick with a sim that's already dead, than to use a sim that's anything but dead but may, according to your wild speculations, be dead in a few years?

News flash: It's perfectly normal for a big software developer to kill projects every now and then because of various reasons. That's how a business survives and evolves. Do you think that every single product and service created by LM has been a great success that lives on forever?

10 minutes ago, Multisim said:

a sim that's already dead

That's factually incorrect.

Perhaps a more measured viewpoint would be to accept that people hold differing opinions, namely which sim is better than another, is highly subjective.

Edited February 5, 20224 yr by F737NG
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9 hours ago, Rogen said:

And of course Microsoft said Windows 10 would be the last Microsoft operating system version we'd ever need.

No, they never said that. It's a complete lie and you know it.

I believe you're refering to the talk given by Jerry Nixon in 2015 where he said Windows 10 was "the last version of Windows". That quote caused some headlines and people tend to just read the headlines. If you look at the context and the rest of the talk you can clearly understand what he ment. It was not "the last OS we'd ever need", it was that the development of Windows was heading in a new direction, especially ragarding version numbering and updates. It was the last Windows version in the classical sense, not the last Windows OS. Microsoft even clarified this after the talk. Still, 7 years later, some people repeat the lie that MS said that "Windows 10 would be the last Microsoft operating system version we'd ever need".

Here is what they ment:

"This will be a single, homogenous entity powering all hardware Microsoft has and delivering an ongoing stream of updates. These updates may technically carry code numbers or names, but they won’t be heavily flagged and most users will simply see themselves as running ‘Windows’ - a platform which is always the latest software Microsoft has to offer. That means no more XP, 7, 8.1 or 10."

Now 7 years later we know that this is exactly what happened. There has been several generations of Windows 10 but for the end user it's just another update. Technically some updates carry code numbers and names, including "Windows 11", but this is just used to flag that Windows update cycle is at a certain state. For the end user, most won't even know if they run Widows 10 or Windows 11 or whatever it will be called in the future. It's just "the latest version of Windows". Exactly as announced in 2015.

 

 

18 minutes ago, F737NG said:

That's factually incorrect.

Perhaps a more measured viewpoint would be to accept that people hold differing opinions, namely which sim is better than another, is highly subjective.

If the community is close to dead (except for a few that still thinks it has a bright future), and the 3rd party developers are running in the other direction, I'd call it dead even though the developer hasn't announced it as dead yet. Pretty much the only updates we see from LM are fixes for stuttering and pauses that they introduced in the previous update. This repeats in a never ending loop. That's not what I call an actively developed software.

 

51 minutes ago, Multisim said:

If the community is close to dead (except for a few that still thinks it has a bright future), and the 3rd party developers are running in the other direction, I'd call it dead even though the developer hasn't announced it as dead yet. Pretty much the only updates we see from LM are fixes for stuttering and pauses that they introduced in the previous update. This repeats in a never ending loop. That's not what I call an actively developed software.

 

But.. but, that's because it is so good that there's nothing else to fix or add ! 😜

On 2/3/2022 at 8:18 PM, Matchstick said:

I'm sorry but I do have to disagree with you here- the systems modelling on something like the KAP140 in the MSFS Porter is simply poor compared to the modelling of the same instrument in Milviz's P3D aircraft (or the T310R in XP).

Maybe that will change in the phase 2 release but right now I don't think we have any firm information on that.

I take your word for it, the only Kap140 that I remember well using was in the A2A c182 because I had some problem with it. I don’t want to go further on this forum which is not meant to but if it is not correctly modeled in the MSFS MV Porter it is highly useable for me, laterally and vertically in conjunction with the NXi. We may continue on the msfs forum if you like

2 hours ago, Multisim said:

If the community is close to dead (except for a few that still thinks it has a bright future), and the 3rd party developers are running in the other direction, I'd call it dead even though the developer hasn't announced it as dead yet. Pretty much the only updates we see from LM are fixes for stuttering and pauses that they introduced in the previous update. This repeats in a never ending loop. That's not what I call an actively developed software.

 

It can’t be dead. You are still hanging around a forum talking about it 

3 hours ago, micstatic said:

It can’t be dead. You are still hanging around a forum talking about it 

There is a kind of a symmetric detestable schadenfreude.

MSFS fanb0ys have pain to dissimulate their joy seeing the rapid contraction of the 3r party offer to P3D, that P3D is supposed to be dead and blah blah blah. There is a rambling specialist of that on the MSFS forum. Old simmers know better. 

Their P3D  counterparts cannot rehash enough with a barely hidden glee worn out and mostly untrue clichés about MSFS being a sightseeing simulator, with no sdk , full of bugs and that MS will pull the plug and blah blah blah. Simmers actually flying MSFS know better.

My take ? I chose to fly only in MSFS which is a wonderful sim and if I know that MS could pull the plug any day (true) I also know that I would have had quite a lovely time with it.  P3D knows difficult times but  I hope it will survive because it is the best alternative and any simmer enjoying its possible demise on the consumer market is stupid. 

Now I have ennemies on both sides 😂.

 

 

Edited February 5, 20224 yr by Dominique_K

I'll consider MSFS again when there's a plane worth flying. The DC6 is fine, but the rest is just garbage. I did try the CRJ the other day again after many months, and it's just as terrible as it used to be. Aerosoft is such a meme.

 

Meanwhile I'm enjoying the amazing HS Challenger 650 in XP11. That's as close to study-level as you can get currently.

Edited February 5, 20224 yr by flycln

5 minutes ago, flycln said:

I'll consider MSFS again when there's a plane worth flying.

Such a rapid illustration of my recent post about worn out and silly clichés 😋. I forgot this one, the lack of aircraft worth flying in MSFS 🤣.  

4 hours ago, Multisim said:

Pretty much the only updates we see from LM are fixes for stuttering and pauses that they introduced in the previous update. This repeats in a never ending loop. That's not what I call an actively developed software.

So you don’t consider the change from a 32-bit v1 running DX9 to 64-bit v5 running DX12 actively developed software?

59 minutes ago, flycln said:

I'll consider MSFS again when there's a plane worth flying.

DC Designs are developing a Concorde for MSFS. Here’s the link to what they admit is not a reference level aircraft.

Alternatively, there is the reference level FS Labs Concorde being developed for P3Dv5. But with no release date there’s a chance v6 will arrive first.