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Tomorrow FDS Aerodynamics: Take 2

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Obviously MS and Asobo want to stress aerodynamics is important subject as I remember  another episode with the same title was already published.

What's so new that it requires a sequel?  Prop simulation and adverse yaw? Them want to say FS2020  is a serious sim?   

......huh?

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Historically these videos have been quite short, but I hope they can add even more info than they did in the last Q&A.

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1 hour ago, versus said:

What's so new that it requires a sequel?  Prop simulation and adverse yaw?

I believe prop and rotary-wing simulation is also needed for the development of helicopters

39 minutes ago, GearUp180 said:

We might be able to use the flaps on the C172 as intended in real life...

What’s you take on the C172 flap behavior?

Chris

12 minutes ago, snglecoil said:

What’s you take on the C172 flap behavior?

I can't wait to hear this. 😀

MSFS

6 minutes ago, DJJose said:

I can't wait to hear this. 😀

🤷‍♂️ It’s an honest question. He’s an IRL pilot with a good bit of experience. 

Chris

26 minutes ago, snglecoil said:

🤷‍♂️ It’s an honest question. He’s an IRL pilot with a good bit of experience. 

and I'm a CFII, SEL with hundreds of hours on a 172. I can't wait for him to share his feelings. 😀

MSFS

1 hour ago, GearUp180 said:

We might be able to use the flaps on the C172 as intended in real life...

Please delight us!  LOL How are they intended to use?

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Everyone has different perceptions that may be completely valid based on something small like variances in control response curves from one person to the next. When I asked his take on them, I’m genuinely interested in his opinion. An instructor myself, I have an embarrassingly high number of hours in a C172. One of my biggest pet peeves with … another sim’s C172 is how flap behavior is modeled. So again, I ask because I’m curious. 

Chris

1 minute ago, snglecoil said:

Everyone has different perceptions that may be completely valid based on something small like variances in control response curves from one person to the next. When I asked his take on them, I’m genuinely interested in his opinion. An instructor myself, I have an embarrassingly high number of hours in a C172. One of my biggest pet peeves with … another sim’s C172 is how flap behavior is modeled. So again, I ask because I’m curious. 

I’m CFI as well as long time 172 owner. I instructed in neatly all 172 models for B to S I’m anxious to hear perceptions on how 172 behave with flaps . Since all sims mostly model S model we won’t see much 40 degrees flaps though LOL

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As someone with 0 hours piloting a 172 (or any other aircraft), I can tell you the flaps work exactly as I'd expect in the sim.

Maybe the question rised by GearUp180 has to do with something I can't really evaluate because I have never flown such an aircraft IRL.

.) Might have to do with the pitching moment due to flap deplyment;

.) Might be related to the downwash effect on the tail surface, more evident on a high-wing aircraft;

.) Might be the fact that in MFS there is still no way to accurately model the progressive change in lift / drag as the flaps are in transit;

.) Might be the net lift / drag created by each of the flaps settings;

Maybe GearUp180 could ellaborate a bit more ?

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I only have like 300 or so hours in the 172 SP, N, and M models... but the flaps act as I expect in MSFS? I lower flaps and the nose wants to rise. Also there's noticeable drag, and it *feels* like I get more braking authority if I raise the flaps during roll out on landing.

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