Hi everyone,

First off, I know this has a million threads about, but I am having trouble finding any solution. I have just bought a new PC (i7 12700KF 3.6 Ghz, not overclocked, RTX 3070, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, 650 PSU), I finally finished installing the sim yesterday after about 24 hours, and immediately after loading it up, I was getting CTDs. The trend was that it'd freeze for about 3 seconds, then the screen would go black, and immediately crash. Sometimes I can load up a flight, but then after a few mins, it'll freeze and then quit. I was even getting BSODs until I gave up and turned the whole thing off..

I've been doing my research as I know many people experienced this but all the potential fixes I've found, haven't worked. I've updated my RTX drivers, adjusted my virtual RAM but I continue to get CTDs. It doesn't make sense to me because it is a brand new PC with nothing on it except the sim. I have no addons installed and I would have thought the the version number of the sim I have, would have ironed out all these bugs by now, since its release in 2020. 

Can anyone provide some advice on a fix I might have not tried yet. I haven't messed around with my Nvidia control panel yet and I believe I might have read somewhere about changing some settings in there. Also, is there a previous 3070 driver that anyone knows about which is known to be stable? 

It is so demoralizing having just bought a $2,000 PC, $350 4K monitor, $200 Thrustmaster Airbus stick just to use MSFS and to then get nothing but CTDs. 

The ironic thing is, I am a RW corporate pilot but had the urge recently to get back into a bit of simming for the fun and freedom of it, yet the headaches this has already caused are making me wonder why I bothered.

Thanks so much everyone.

23 minutes ago, PiaggioPilot said:

Hi everyone,

First off, I know this has a million threads about, but I am having trouble finding any solution. I have just bought a new PC (i7 12700KF 3.6 Ghz, not overclocked, RTX 3070, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, 650 PSU), I finally finished installing the sim yesterday after about 24 hours, and immediately after loading it up, I was getting CTDs. The trend was that it'd freeze for about 3 seconds, then the screen would go black, and immediately crash. Sometimes I can load up a flight, but then after a few mins, it'll freeze and then quit. I was even getting BSODs until I gave up and turned the whole thing off..

I've been doing my research as I know many people experienced this but all the potential fixes I've found, haven't worked. I've updated my RTX drivers, adjusted my virtual RAM but I continue to get CTDs. It doesn't make sense to me because it is a brand new PC with nothing on it except the sim. I have no addons installed and I would have thought the the version number of the sim I have, would have ironed out all these bugs by now, since its release in 2020. 

Can anyone provide some advice on a fix I might have not tried yet. I haven't messed around with my Nvidia control panel yet and I believe I might have read somewhere about changing some settings in there. Also, is there a previous 3070 driver that anyone knows about which is known to be stable? 

It is so demoralizing having just bought a $2,000 PC, $350 4K monitor, $200 Thrustmaster Airbus stick just to use MSFS and to then get nothing but CTDs. 

The ironic thing is, I am a RW corporate pilot but had the urge recently to get back into a bit of simming for the fun and freedom of it, yet the headaches this has already caused are making me wonder why I bothered.

Thanks so much everyone.

650W PSU is woefully underpowered for the CPU Components (12700KF=300W + 3070=300W just on their own). Replace with at least a 850W PSU.

Edited February 19, 20224 yr by 40track

44 minutes ago, PiaggioPilot said:

I have just bought a new PC

This should not happen on a brand new PC, with a fresh install of Windows. Since you said you are not overclocking, I would run stability tests on your PC.  Run tests to check your RAM, and other stability tests. Also, if you have other games installed on your computer, try playing those games and see if your computer also has problems.  MSFS will stress your system more than other games, so it's not a perfect comparison. But for sure, if you see the same problems with other games, then it could be related to your hardware.  For NVidia settings, I would think the default NVidia settings should provide for a stable experience in MSFS.

I assume you checked the power supply needed for your system and 650 watts is enough, right?  Blue screens of death, in particular, can be hardware related.  I am running Windows 10 and for me, I do not recall seeing a BSOD in the last 2 years. So if you are seeing the BSOD, that's a possible indication that it can be hardware related (it doesn't mean it's 100% hardware related, but it could possibly be).  I think for the overwhelming majority of cases of I have read about MSFS and for the live streamers on Twitch/Youtube who stream MSFS, at worst, MSFS just causes a CTD, but Windows is still running in the background.  I don't recall many cases of MSFS causing a BSOD, and for people who live stream MSFS on Twitch/Youtube, I don't recall MSFS causing a BSOD at all.

Maybe some other more technically inclined people with hardware in this forum can help you out. But yeah, the BSOD is very, very weird, it's not something that MSFS will cause on a normal, stable, system that doesn't have any hardware issues.

Edited February 19, 20224 yr by abrams_tank

7 minutes ago, 40track said:

650W PSU is woefully underpowered for the CPU Components (12700KF=300W + 3070=300W just on their own). Replace with 850W 

Yeah, that was my first guess too, although I didn't double check his components in one of the online parts builders which typically tell you how many watts the PSU should be.

If 650W is not enough, it definitely explains the random BSODs the OP is experiencing.

Edited February 19, 20224 yr by abrams_tank

Are you on Win  10 or !!? are all your windows updates up to date? I found stablity far better once i switched from Win 10 to Win 11. Community folder empty?

4 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

Yeah, that was my first guess too, although I didn't double check his components in one of the online parts builders which typically tell you how many watts PSU should be.

If 650W is not enough, it definitely explains the random BSODs the OP is experiencing.

Yep. Years ago when SLI was the rage i had 2X8800GT cards connected and 750W kept dropping out as a nvidia error to desktop which was lucky since you knew it wasn't powering them properly.

Edited February 19, 20224 yr by 40track

If you have spare parts lying around, you could swap them, if your ram is 2x8Gb, i would remove one and also try another port/channel

650 watt should be good enough for your config, but maybe is failing, already happened to me, I switch to a no name half the power one for testing and it worked

Also 16Gb total ram is too little, you should try to get 32Gb

Edited February 19, 20224 yr by bendead

I have windows 11 and the ram is 2 x 8 GBS. I wondered if maybe the PSU was too little but I bought the PC from one of the prebuilt options on Amazon, so I figured that if this was one of their prebuilt units, then it must be that the power supply is enough for this build. The company is one from San Diego called Yeyian. 

I'm guessing the ram isn't properly configured. Perhaps you need a BIOS update to be able to use your particular set of ram sticks

17 minutes ago, bendead said:

If you have spare parts lying around, you could swap them, if your ram is 2x8Gb, i would remove one and also try another port/channel

650 watt should be good enough for your config, but maybe is failing, already happened to me, I switch to a no name half the power one for testing and it worked

Also 16Gb total ram is too little, you should try to get 32Gb

Should work fine with 16GB ram. 

4 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

No offense, but when the OP is getting BSOD, and then you are telling them to install XP instead, your comment is simply wrong and not needed in this forum.

MSFS doesn't cause BSOD on a healthy computer system.  CTDs are one thing, BSOD is another.  Please don't tell the OP to install XP if they are getting a BSOD, you are not doing anything constructive to solve the problem.

Correct, BSOD is a hardware issue with the PC. 

 

12 minutes ago, PiaggioPilot said:

I have windows 11 and the ram is 2 x 8 GBS. I wondered if maybe the PSU was too little but I bought the PC from one of the prebuilt options on Amazon, so I figured that if this was one of their prebuilt units, then it must be that the power supply is enough for this build. The company is one from San Diego called Yeyian. 

They have support on their website but only open Mon-Friday. 

18 minutes ago, tull said:

I bought a new pc very similar spec to yours though I have a RTX 3060 card and me too was getting CTD's with my brand new PC ( Now I dont want to cause a war in this thread) soooo ....for now and I have gone back to XP11. You say you are a corperate pilot........you wanna go and get XP11 installed and go and buy Hotstarts Challenger 650, it is un bloody believable, it is a very very immersive simulation of a buisness jet, its expensive but worth every penny, far superior to FS2020. 

Now as I say no bickering here everyone, I like FS2020 and it sits on my hard 2 TB SSD hard drive and I fly the TBM in it from time to time but I am soooo tired  of CTD's and I am tired of trying to solve the problem and believe you me I have tried everything and me too  bought a brand new PC  just for FS2020, hopefully one day I will have some success with it in a year or two when it becomes a stable platform.

Regards

Paul EGCC

I fly MSFS 2020 around 14 hours a week on average, and I have not had a CTD in around one year.  I have never had a BSOD in any PC I have owned in the last 20 years or more. You have something wrong with your system or an add on. 

Edited February 19, 20224 yr by Bobsk8

17 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Should work fine with 16GB ram. 

that's a bit low, Windows + chrome + a couple of process will eat 10GB already.

On top of that add some heavy scenery and a complex airliner

Before you rip your system apart, look at the bug list from Asobo.  CTD is the #1 thing with fixes coming in the next patch. 

I started having CTDs after the last update.  I get a CTD almost right away just like what you seem to have.  It hasn't hit everyone, but again it is worth noting that it is their #1 bug listed. 

I'm not saying it couldn't be hardware obviously.  With a new system you never know.  Do you have any other games or demos to try?  I know MSFS is the only game that I have issues with so I'm convinced it is not my system. 

I also have a 3070 and I think the processor is almost the same too which is interesting. 

The one thing I have not tried is the beta update, which is supposed to have some of those CTD fixes.  I've been waiting for the official launch, but it might be worth a try. 

Again, it could be hardware, but my guess is more likely you are running into similar issues as a couple of us (there's a couple threads in the past couple pages).