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New PC, first ever MSFS install & instant CTDs... Help :(

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For the past 30 years I've always gone with using a PSU wattage approx. double the theoretical maximum load of the machine.    Not once in those 30 years have I ever seen any instability or performance issues due to an "overpowered" PSU. 

They may well be slightly less efficient but i'll take the marginal increase in my electricity bill over an unstable machine any time.

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I'm not saying that you will run into instability or performance issues with an oversized psu. I'm saying that it will deliver dirtier power than a PSU that is perfectly sized for your usage. 

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1 hour ago, PiaggioPilot said:

I was incorrect with my original statement about the BSOD. All I was getting when everything crashed was a message from Windows saying "Something went wrong and we're restarting you're computer" with a ":(" at the top of the screen. Then the system would restart. So I don't think it was a BSOD now that I think about it.

I am unable to access my PC at this time as I am away flying for a couple of days but will try all the above advice as well as from everyone else once I am back on Monday.

I'm not using Windows 11 at the moment (I'm still on Windows 10).  But for Windows 11, the BSOD has been redesigned and based on what you describe, it could be the BSOD.  Please view this webpage so you can identify what you are seeing is the new BSOD for Windows 11: https://www.minitool.com/data-recovery/troubleshoot-windows-11-blue-screen-error.html

You can see in the link there, that the new BSOD may even be black in color in Windows 11.

 

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4 hours ago, MDFlier said:

You might want to pop the case open and make sure that the graphics card has the proper number of power connections. There's usually 2 or 3 and if whoever built the system missed one, everything works fine until you put it under load. Flight simulator has always been one of the best diagnostic tools. If your system has any issues, flight sim will make it show up for sure.

Something I also learnt was that each power connector attached to the card must be individually connected directly to the PSU and that NO splitters have been used to save on the number of leads.

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12 minutes ago, wims80 said:

I'm not saying that you will run into instability or performance issues with an oversized psu. I'm saying that it will deliver dirtier power than a PSU that is perfectly sized for your usage. 

That is word not allowed.  Don't mislead people with false  claims. 

 

 

 

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What might be I looking for in the event logger once I have had a crash? Will there be a tale tale sign that signifies if it is a PSU issue?

2 hours ago, wims80 said:

If you are drawing less than what the PSU is optimized for then you are likely to get less clean power, and certainly less efficient use of the power than what you would if you had a perfectly sized PSU. On the other hand, if you have an undersized PSU you might run into stability issues, so there's that. But there is such a thing as too much headroom on the PSU

Please ignore this. It is so wrong it should be retracted by poster

6 hours ago, wims80 said:

Actually, having an oversized PSU is not recommended as PSUs are optimized to produce power at a certain load. If you are drawing less than what the PSU is optimized for then you are likely to get less clean power, and certainly less efficient use of the power than what you would if you had a perfectly sized PSU. On the other hand, if you have an undersized PSU you might run into stability issues, so there's that. But there is such a thing as too much headroom on the PSU

In 30 years plus of building my own computers, that's the first time I've ever seen someone say that and I've certainly never experienced that particular issue. Much the same as people worrying about chargers for their devices having "too many amps" output - when of course a device will only draw the amount of current it needs. As long as the voltage is correct, it's all good.

 

I'd love to see the source of your information, to prove your point.

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As it is a pre-assembled computer, I would certainly once open the case and check that each and every cable is properly plugged in, check if RAM sits correctly in the correct slots. Make sure, that the cables are checked on both ends: on the PSU end and on the hardware end. Might be, that due to transport (during delivery), some cables got slightly loose. I once had a loose SSD power connector, you can not guess what kind of strange crashes the computer produced until I found out, that it was simply a not perfectly connected power cable inside my rig...

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On 2/19/2022 at 1:06 PM, DylanM said:

Probably XMP if it's Intel

Sorry, late responding to this. But, YES! That was it. I purchased a system from Jetline and sprung some money on it, for sure. It was terrible when I kept getting CTD's, even with such a fast machine and their customer support continually blamed it on "young software". I had to do the research myself and found an article about XMP setting in the BIOS. Once I turned that "feature" off, I've literally never had a CTD since. That was almost 2 years now.

OP, if you haven't checked this setting, give it a look. It saved me. 

44 minutes ago, AnkH said:

As it is a pre-assembled computer, I would certainly once open the case and check that each and every cable is properly plugged in, check if RAM sits correctly in the correct slots. Make sure, that the cables are checked on both ends: on the PSU end and on the hardware end. Might be, that due to transport (during delivery), some cables got slightly loose. I once had a loose SSD power connector, you can not guess what kind of strange crashes the computer produced until I found out, that it was simply a not perfectly connected power cable inside my rig...

 

Agree with this. Technicians often check cable connections first before anything else as it can cause hassle but easily identifiable.

This goes for MSFS but anything really tvs,,audio systems, modems.......

12 hours ago, 109Sqn said:

I'd love to see the source of your information, to prove your point.

better not, complete nonsense. as you said, you can never "stuff" or force too many "amperes" into a device. Amperes (current to be correct) is the resulting current that flows when a consumer/load/resistor is connected to a given voltage. Only the voltage that you supply can be too high. a power supply can not "force" electric current (measured in Amperes) into a load. it can only supply too much voltage if it becomes defective, meaning its internal voltage regulators etc. are kaputt 😊

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60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking.

very nice.

f I am reading everything  correctly, The Op can boot the computer just fine. The problems CTD, BSOD or whatever only happens starting MSFS.

In the past I had similar issues .with MSFS and DCS world. The problem turned out to be a RealTek sound drive that was installed. I wasn't even using that driver but it was giving me a lot of grief.

You can try and disable all sound drivers and see if that does anything for you.

44 minutes ago, turbomax said:

better not, complete nonsense. as you said, you can never "stuff" or force too many "amperes" into a device. Amperes (current to be correct) is the resulting current that flows when a consumer/load/resistor is connected to a given voltage. Only the voltage that you supply can be too high. a power supply can not "force" electric current (measured in Amperes) into a load. it can only supply too much voltage if it becomes defective, meaning its internal voltage regulators etc. are kaputt 😊

OHMs law is one of he first things you learn when studying electronics. 

 

 

 

33 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

you learn when studying electronics.

should be standard requirement for any pc purchase.

BestBuy store sales rep: "Sir, can I see your electonics diploma please? What you mean you don't have one - Sorry, can't buy that pc. and hands off that 1.200 watts power supply, has too many Amperes for your pc!

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60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking.

very nice.

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