17 minutes ago, cobalt said:

How has any of this helped the OP solve his current problem?

since he has returned his pc already we did not need to post here anyway, I took the liberty to divert for those few interested, everybody else please go ahead.

Edited February 23, 20224 yr by turbomax

45 minutes ago, cobalt said:

There is a lot I don't understand about this thread, which started with a guy having problems with his new 3070 computer with a 650 watt power supply, but morphed into a series of lectures about future power needs for upgraded systems. How has any of this helped the OP solve his current problem?

Well the op is sending the unit back so all moot at this point. Probably for the better. I do this stuff for work and have been putting systems together since 286 and 386 days and design and and implement IT infrastructure for healthcare corporations in addition to personally building a few systems a year for others. OP should have probably just given the SI tech support a call and have them do the diagnostics and take it from there instead of seeking "help" from this forum. Too many opinions. Many of them uninformed and shooting in the dark.

Thought I'd provide an update on the issue. The PC builder has put in an 850w PSU and I requested that they add another 16GB of ram to total it at 32. They said it is now all running stable and they are shipping it back to me tomorrow. So fingers crossed it will run well now once I have it back.

On 2/23/2022 at 4:02 PM, Maxis said:

Well the op is sending the unit back so all moot at this point. Probably for the better. I do this stuff for work and have been putting systems together since 286 and 386 days and design and and implement IT infrastructure for healthcare corporations in addition to personally building a few systems a year for others. OP should have probably just given the SI tech support a call and have them do the diagnostics and take it from there instead of seeking "help" from this forum. Too many opinions. Many of them uninformed and shooting in the dark.

So. As I also „do this stuff for work“ (well tbh I’m a software developer but build PCs as a hobby and had 8 semesters of technical informatics / computer science) it seems we were not so wrong with the PSU…… 

1 hour ago, MySound said:

it seems we were not so wrong with the PSU…… 

In which case let this be a lesson to all - 650W PSU is simply not enough power for a modern, high end desktop system. You are spending a fortune on everythign else in the box, don't skimp on the PSU.

8 hours ago, PiaggioPilot said:

Thought I'd provide an update on the issue. The PC builder has put in an 850w PSU and I requested that they add another 16GB of ram to total it at 32. They said it is now all running stable and they are shipping it back to me tomorrow. So fingers crossed it will run well now once I have it back.

Like I thought, it was the PSU..  If he took the extra 16 GB of ram out, it would still run fine. 

6 hours ago, RaptyrOne said:

In which case let this be a lesson to all - 650W PSU is simply not enough power for a modern, high end desktop system. You are spending a fortune on everythign else in the box, don't skimp on the PSU.

I don't see how thats the lesson or how one could draw such conclusion but to each his own.

8 hours ago, RaptyrOne said:

In which case let this be a lesson to all - 650W PSU is simply not enough power for a modern, high end desktop system. You are spending a fortune on everythign else in the box, don't skimp on the PSU.

Maybe things are a bit more complex than that. There are different quality levels; being able to swiftly keep up with that power spike giving "instantly" the needed current is one of the properties that separate great quality PSU's from the others. (Oh and sometimes also working PSU's from broken ones btw).

This is particularly easy to see in hifi: a 60W amplifier may sound infinitely better than a 300W unit, and when you open it and look inside, you see why (and you pay for it through your nose).

As usual, the devil is in the details, numbers on a website are just part of the story, and not always the most relevant.

A.

15 hours ago, PiaggioPilot said:

the PC builder has put in an 850w PSU and I requested that they add another 16GB of ram to total it at 32.

nothing else got changed? then it obviously was a PSU issue, but as we learnt here a few days ago: "850 w PSU" is all just marketing 😊

Thats true. Ruling out the RAM size the PSU is the only variable here. Could be just bad luck with a faulty model,

or, as was mentioned, people may want to research a bit into how models handle things such as sudden voltage increases?.

5 minutes ago, icewater5 said:

how models handle things such as sudden voltage increases?.

quod erat demonstrandum, thanks to Igors Lab:

https://www.igorslab.de/en/

7 minutes ago, icewater5 said:

Thats true. Ruling out the RAM size the PSU is the only variable here. Could be just bad luck with a faulty model,

or, as was mentioned, people may want to research a bit into how models handle things such as sudden voltage increases?.

My new PC HAD A 650 watt PSU .I had about  4 CTDs a day, along with screen freezes.   Replaced with a 750 Watt PSU a year ago. No problems since then. 

5 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

My new PC HAD A 650 watt PSU .I had about  4 CTDs a day, along with screen freezes.   Replaced with a 750 Watt PSU a year ago. No problems since then. 

Interesting, same manufacturer im guessing. It just seems logical that a 7/800 PSU would handle an unusual surge. Why they happen i not know:)

3 hours ago, icewater5 said:

Why they happen i not know

https://www.igorslab.de/en/intel-core-i9-11900k-power-consumption-and-hidden-load-peaks-warning-and-alerting/7/

"What we can take with us as a conclusion? The partly still moderate looking average value of the current Core i7 and Core i9 in gaming is only half the truth, which has been smoothed out cosmetically. Because it’s actually a very cleverly chopped up, much higher value. The maximum spikes are even 50 to 70 watts (and more) above those of an overclocked Ryzen 9 5900X in the same scenario, which should make you think a bit. Sure, it’s not something you could read so easily with sensors or software or measure directly at the electric meter. But it very often causes inexplicable thermal and stability problems, you shouldn’t completely ignore that if you’re struggling with something like this, so you’d better not skimp on the power supply and cooling!"

Edited March 5, 20224 yr by turbomax

2 minutes ago, turbomax said:

https://www.igorslab.de/en/intel-core-i9-11900k-power-consumption-and-hidden-load-peaks-warning-and-alerting/7/

What we can take with us as a conclusion? The partly still moderate looking average value of the current Core i7 and Core i9 in gaming is only half the truth, which has been smoothed out cosmetically. Because it’s actually a very cleverly chopped up, much higher value. The maximum spikes are even 50 to 70 watts (and more) above those of an overclocked Ryzen 9 5900X in the same scenario, which should make you think a bit. Sure, it’s not something you could read so easily with sensors or software or measure directly at the electric meter. But it very often causes inexplicable thermal and stability problems, you shouldn’t completely ignore that if you’re struggling with something like this, so you’d better not skimp on the power supply and cooling!

 

3 minutes ago, turbomax said:

https://www.igorslab.de/en/intel-core-i9-11900k-power-consumption-and-hidden-load-peaks-warning-and-alerting/7/

What we can take with us as a conclusion? The partly still moderate looking average value of the current Core i7 and Core i9 in gaming is only half the truth, which has been smoothed out cosmetically. Because it’s actually a very cleverly chopped up, much higher value. The maximum spikes are even 50 to 70 watts (and more) above those of an overclocked Ryzen 9 5900X in the same scenario, which should make you think a bit. Sure, it’s not something you could read so easily with sensors or software or measure directly at the electric meter. But it very often causes inexplicable thermal and stability problems, you shouldn’t completely ignore that if you’re struggling with something like this, so you’d better not skimp on the power supply and cooling!