6 minutes ago, turbomax said:

 

I agree, and that is why I was stressing this issue because we users can not diagnose this without such an electronics laboratory and test equipment, hence the ignorance of some users "all just marketing"

" I don't think that any system requires > a 650PSU today."

"650 watts ought to be enough for any pc"

Bill Gates

Wonder if he meant to say for now and the quote was taken out of context if not yeah that'll be a worry. 

19 minutes ago, turbomax said:

 

I agree, and that is why I was stressing this issue because we users can not diagnose this without such an electronics laboratory and test equipment, hence the ignorance of some users "all just marketing"

" I don't think that any system requires > a 650PSU today."

"650 watts ought to be enough for any pc"

Bill Gates

Gates was on to solar

ns

11 minutes ago, 40track said:

Wonder if he meant to say for now and the quote was taken out of context

that was a joke on a quote attributed to Bill Gates "640 Kilobytes ought to be enough for any pc" but he supposedly never said that 😀

4 minutes ago, turbomax said:

that was a joke on a quote attributed to Bill Gates "640 Kilobytes ought to be enough for any pc" but he supposedly never said that 😀

Never knew that and thank god.

Firstly I want to say thank you to everybody who has been posting on here providing advice for me on how to fix this. I greatly appreciate it! 

I've been away from my desktop the past 3 days due to my real world flying job. Actually took off from Montana last night and noticed the aircraft wasn't pressurizing the way it should be and so had to return to the field immediately and unfortunately had to tell the passengers that we were staying the night. Managed to get the plane back today so I can try and figure this out.

I did manage to perform an OCCT stress test when i got home and it BSOD after about 3 minutes, so originally I thought it was just an MSFS issue but clearly now it is more than that. I contacted the rig manufacturer and they are sending me a shipping label to send it back to them and they will do some testing for me, as well as with MSFS. They said if need be, they will install an 850w PSU and remove the 650. So we will see how it all unfolds. 

2 hours ago, PiaggioPilot said:

I did manage to perform an OCCT stress test when i got home and it BSOD after about 3 minutes, so originally I thought it was just an MSFS issue but clearly now it is more than that. I contacted the rig manufacturer and they are sending me a shipping label to send it back to them and they will do some testing for me, as well as with MSFS. They said if need be, they will install an 850w PSU and remove the 650. So we will see how it all unfolds. 

Yeah, based on your original description of the problem, it was very likely a hardware related issue.  I have not read that MSFS can cause a BSOD on a healthy system before (of course, all bets are off if your system is not healthy).  Hope you get it fixed. Good luck to you.

4 hours ago, PiaggioPilot said:

Firstly I want to say thank you to everybody who has been posting on here providing advice for me on how to fix this. I greatly appreciate it! 

I've been away from my desktop the past 3 days due to my real world flying job. Actually took off from Montana last night and noticed the aircraft wasn't pressurizing the way it should be and so had to return to the field immediately and unfortunately had to tell the passengers that we were staying the night. Managed to get the plane back today so I can try and figure this out.

I did manage to perform an OCCT stress test when i got home and it BSOD after about 3 minutes, so originally I thought it was just an MSFS issue but clearly now it is more than that. I contacted the rig manufacturer and they are sending me a shipping label to send it back to them and they will do some testing for me, as well as with MSFS. They said if need be, they will install an 850w PSU and remove the 650. So we will see how it all unfolds. 

been building rigs (since 96/97) mainly to play FS. I never skimp on the PSU... make sure its a high quality brand and rating  like gold or higher.  Check the reviews for PSU on review sites, youtube and amazon/newegg.  Ive used corsairs and EVGA  PSUs mainly the past 10 years. 

The PSU fail or insufficient, mainly it is a suddenly and instant shutdown of the PC, without freezes or code fails, not this case I think. Other thing to check for fails like this in Alder and Z690is to set the DDR in Manual in Bios, not XMP, and set the 5 main parameters manually.

Many moons ago when I built my current PC, the PSU debate was on then too. How much is enough? Plenty of opinions. One thing seemed clear though. While not enough would cause massive problems, too much would not. By going bigger, yes it costs a little more to purchase but not much, you have some “insurance” and can more or less eliminate that one piece of hardware from the mix when trying to fault find. Plus the PSU only feeds out what is needed by the system, it is not blasting out the watts at max capacity unnecessarily. That means it is just ticking over, even at full load. So I went and stuffed a shiny top range Corsair 1050W PSU into my new (at that time) PC. Never regretted it for even 1 second. So now, one day when I am rich and can afford a 3080Ti and a zooty new 12th Gen CPU and M/board, it will be coming across to my new PC, while everything else gets pawned off. That makes it the best money I ever spent on my rig.

Why spend an absolute fortune on the best CPU, GPU, motherboard and RAM that money can buy and then power it all with a “just enough” PSU? The PSU is the glue that brings it all to life.😉
 

Just anecdotal… I’m not for the me moment suggesting this is/was the OP’s problem.

Edited February 23, 20224 yr by RaptyrOne

When running with full time solar folks tend to think differently.

ns

8 hours ago, PiaggioPilot said:

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I did manage to perform an OCCT stress test when i got home and it BSOD after about 3 minutes, so originally I thought it was just an MSFS issue but clearly now it is more than that. I contacted the rig manufacturer and they are sending me a shipping label to send it back to them and they will do some testing for me, as well as with MSFS. They said if need be, they will install an 850w PSU and remove the 650. So we will see how it all unfolds. 

You are lucky that the stress test showed your problem,it will be easy for them to fix it then. My money is on the PSU. 

3 hours ago, RaptyrOne said:

How much is enough?

traditionally the sum of all components average power consumption would suffice, and you might end up with 650 watts. But with the advent of the RTX 3090 and some modern games this "average consumption" does not work anymore. it is those extreme currency spikes (yellow in Igors Labs diagram) that last only for milliseconds but can overload the PSU's protection circuitry immediately, something we had not experienced with previous GPUs. their sheer amount of tens of thousands of cores that work in parallel can draw momentarily more than their rated 350 watts TDP would suggest. 780 watts on the 12 Volt rail means 65 Amperes, whereas a standard household fuse is rated at only 16 amperes! it is also dependent on the application, mostly games - that is being used. P3D/x-plane  don't make such heavy use of GPU programming , normally 30% load on the GPU, and it never shut my old 650 watts PSU down. with MSFS we see even an RTX 3090 exhausted at 99% load, meaning the cores are all running full power. stronger PSUs have larger capacitors and can cope better with short heavy current spikes before their over-current protection circuitry shuts the PSU off. that's why you don't need to worry if you don't have a 3090 class GPU. but it will get even worse with the next generation RTX 4000 series. Therefore I can only recommend for new purchases to go for around 1.000 watt PSUs if you don't want to have to upgrade it with each new generation of GPU.

Edited February 23, 20224 yr by turbomax

Wow! This is mind-spinning and frightening. Sounds like everybody needs at least 2,000 watts just to be safe down the road. Meanwhile I am hopelessly lost with my ancient 18-month-old 550 watt system. True, it runs MSFS flawlessly, but now I am sitting here wringing my hands knowing what's in store ... Oh woe!

Alienware Aurora R11, 32 GB ram, Intel i7-10700F, GeForce RTX 2080 Super, Ultra graphics settings

 

1 hour ago, cobalt said:

GeForce RTX 2080 Super,

you obviously did not read/understand that I was referring specifically to PSU issues in combination with the latest RTX 3090 (as described in Igors lab test) and future 4000 series and future PSU purchase tips. it is a new RTX 3090 specific phenomenon that you don't need to read/understand.

Edited February 23, 20224 yr by turbomax

There is a lot I don't understand about this thread, which started with a guy having problems with his new 3070 computer with a 650 watt power supply, but morphed into a series of lectures about future power needs for upgraded systems. How has any of this helped the OP solve his current problem?