1 hour ago, turbomax said:

not "well within spec of power" according to BeQuiet power supply calculator, they recommend 850 watts power supply,just as 40tracks said:

Thats nice.. I dont buy Be Quiet psus.. and i dont recall them cross testing and being a tier one OEM partner with Nvidia. I would rather trust EVGA who is a tier one Nvidia partner and has crosstested them with their own PSU products.  I think ill stick with the actual manufacturers or its OEM partners recommendations rather than be duped by someone trying to oversell stuff. 

It may be nice to have the extra margin. But as long as the PSU is within spec and is operating as it should this is not the cause of the OP issues. That's the point that people who actually know how to troubleshoot issues are pointing out. 

Just my own opinion based on my work and personal experience.

Take of it what you will. Or dont.. 

 

Edited February 21, 20224 yr by Maxis

1 hour ago, Maxis said:

But as long as the PSU is within spec and is operating as it should this is not the cause of the OP issues. That's the point that people who actually know how to troubleshoot issues are pointing out.

same recommendation from Seasonic PSU manufacturer: minimum 750 watt power supply

 

while EVGA calculated only 563 Watts and recommends only a 600 watt supply! I wouldn't be surprised if that caused constant crashes:

 

 

Edited February 21, 20224 yr by turbomax
updated the watt calculation to 563 watts - Z690 chipset

Whoopeee .. problem solved .. OP go buy a brand new PSU !!!😏

Sometimes i wonder why i hit "show this post" when i should have known better.

Carry on without me i apparently have no clue what I'm talking about.

 

Funny how a company who actually designs its own  GPU boards (Not the Nvidia Reference design)  and handles its own RMA process would recommend a PSU wattage that would cause their own products to be underpowered and subject to possible failure and increased RMA rates right ? 

Right ...

Edited February 21, 20224 yr by Maxis

On 2/20/2022 at 3:56 AM, PiaggioPilot said:

I have windows 11 and the ram is 2 x 8 GBS. I wondered if maybe the PSU was too little but I bought the PC from one of the prebuilt options on Amazon, so I figured that if this was one of their prebuilt units, then it must be that the power supply is enough for this build. The company is one from San Diego called Yeyian. 

If @turbomax 's post is right, I wonder why it's prebuilt with a 650 PSU.  Wouldn't the vendor that sells this system on Amazon know that 650 watts isn't enough?

3 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

If @turbomax 's post is right, I wonder why it's prebuilt with a 650 PSU.  Wouldn't the vendor that sells this system on Amazon know that 650 watts isn't enough?

You would have thought, wouldn't you? Still waiting to hear back from them.

23 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

I wonder why it's prebuilt with a 650 PSU

as I said: my 650 watt supply was running fine with the RTX 3090 with x-plane and P3D, but crashed with MSFS. some new games that make heavy use of GPU-programming (MSFS 99% GPU load) can exceed critical watt limitations, and even if it is only for a few milliseconds.

Amazon's New World game also caused many problems on RTX 3090s. but that was probably due to overclocking and overheating of the GPU itself, not the power supply, I'm not sure as I don't play games, and I hardly fly, I only update MSFS constantly 😀

"The quick fix for Amazon New World's GPU-killing fiasco is simple: Limit your in-game FPS to 60. There's a bit more to it, as you can read about in our linked coverage, but that's the short version. It seems New World has an issue with limiting FPS, allowing EVGA RTX 3090s to boost frames to the moon and burn themselves out in the process."

https://www.windowscentral.com/amazon-new-world-rtx-3090-bricking-how-to-fix-why-its-happening

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2021/10/rtx-3090-owners-are-having-problems-with-amazons-new-world-again/

Edited February 21, 20224 yr by turbomax

22 minutes ago, turbomax said:

as I said: my 650 watt supply was running fine with the RTX 3090

Just checked the ASUS website and recommended PSU is either 750W or 850W so the 650W you ran was inadequate.

29 minutes ago, SierraDelta said:

is either 750W or 850W so the 650W you ran was inadequate.

exactly, that's what I said. I had a 650 watt psu which was enough for x-plane and P3D with an RTX 3090, but switching over to MSFS (which was not available when I bought my 650 watt psu some years ago) required an upgrade of the psu. first time I had to upgrade a power supply due to software.

Edited February 21, 20224 yr by turbomax

What makes me laugh is in the UK light bulbs have been reducing the wattage and the electric appliances are rated for green energy lower wattage and rated for this. but the PC is going the other way more watts more power. you could run all the lights and TV`s and the washing machine and fridge using less power than the desktop PC in the future. You cannot buy a 100w bulb most of mine 5-15w low energy but equivalent to a 60w bulb. 

For the record: my Alienware Aurora R11 has a 550W power supply and runs MSFS (and a bunch of other stuff) like a charm. I do not believe anything like 750W is needed, and I seriously doubt that the OP's problem is his power supply. 

Alienware Aurora R11, 32 GB ram, Intel i7-10700F, GeForce RTX 2080 Super, Ultra graphics settings

12 hours ago, cobalt said:

For the record: my Alienware Aurora R11 has a 550W power supply and runs MSFS (and a bunch of other stuff) like a charm. I do not believe anything like 750W is needed, and I seriously doubt that the OP's problem is his power supply. 

Alienware Aurora R11, 32 GB ram, Intel i7-10700F, GeForce RTX 2080 Super, Ultra graphics settings

 

I'm talking about the future the industry is throwing more watts at the system too gain performance, wait till you see what the 40 series GPU can draw and even the AMD CPUs when pushed draw as much as Intel and get very hot, even the smaller die is seen as a why pushing more watts to improve performance.

And things are going to be expensive in the desktop PC. 

TSMC 3nm Yield Problems May Derail AMD's CPU Plans | Tom's Hardware (tomshardware.com)

1 hour ago, G-RFRY said:

I'm talking about the future the industry is throwing more watts at the system too gain performance, wait till you see what the 40 series GPU can draw and even the AMD CPUs when pushed draw as much as Intel and get very hot, even the smaller die is seen as a why pushing more watts to improve performance.

And things are going to be expensive in the desktop PC. 

TSMC 3nm Yield Problems May Derail AMD's CPU Plans | Tom's Hardware (tomshardware.com)

OK, I will wait. Meanwhile, quoting from the website you cited:

"It's essential to take the report with a pinch of salt. The people in the know might be correct, but TSMC hasn't publicly admitted any N3 delays so far. On the contrary, it has asserted that it is "on track with good progress."" In any case, what does this future projection have to do with the OP's current problem?

Edited February 22, 20224 yr by cobalt

50 minutes ago, cobalt said:

any case, what does this future projection have to do with the OP's current problem?

You are the one talking about power supply as others are.

15 hours ago, cobalt said:

For the record: my Alienware Aurora R11 has a 550W power supply and runs MSFS (and a bunch of other stuff) like a charm. I do not believe anything like 750W is needed, and I seriously doubt that the OP's problem is his power supply. 

Alienware Aurora R11, 32 GB ram, Intel i7-10700F, GeForce RTX 2080 Super, Ultra graphics settings

 

Well. The 3000 series of Nvidia has power spikes that result in exactly what the OP is experiencing. 
One could run HWInfo to check the power that is drawn to get a feel if it’s close to the specified power of the PSU. 
 

I run a 5800x and a 3080 with a 1000w be quiet PSU. I am pretty sure that OP will be fine with a new PSU. 
 

@op I didn’t read the whole arguments here going on. What I would do:

run 3d Mark and have HWInfo running at the same time. Have a look at the frequencies, power draw etc. 

See if 3D Mark is running fine. Or other Benchmarks. If they are running fine that would be the first thing. 
 

I also read you get the windows error screen. This means there must be entries in the windows event log. Did you have a look in there?
 

Edited February 22, 20224 yr by MySound

23 hours ago, Maxis said:

Whoopeee .. problem solved .. OP go buy a brand new PSU !!!😏

Sometimes i wonder why i hit "show this post" when i should have known better.

Carry on without me i apparently have no clue what I'm talking about.

 

Funny how a company who actually designs its own  GPU boards (Not the Nvidia Reference design)  and handles its own RMA process would recommend a PSU wattage that would cause their own products to be underpowered and subject to possible failure and increased RMA rates right ? 

Right ...

There you go for your EVGA claims. 
Hint: they also tend to fail 😉

 

https://forums.evga.com/m/tm.aspx?m=3128600&p=1

 

by the way: how is your favorite manufacturer doing now in New World? GPUs still going up in smoke? 😉

Yeah. They are also humans….

Edited February 22, 20224 yr by MySound