1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I don’t understand why it isn’t something that more people want. I suppose if you only ever fly in your own country and it’s VFR it isn’t that big a deal. But I love flying all over the world so the correct weather is important to me especially when those are IFR flights so upper winds are important.

Historical weather is useless to anyone that flies with online ATC and that's got to be a fair chunk on the hardcore userbase. A lot of the resources used for flight planning, weather charts etc only work from current live data, so with historical weather you can end up with a mismatch.

Often I will advance or retard time in the sim by 12 hours so I have daylight and can enjoy the scenery, but I'll use live weather (been doing that since FS9 days and never found it jarring). This is especially true of VFR as my free time is the late evening, like the majority of people who are working age. But if you're flying longer airliner flights most of it is in cruise anyway where you can't see much unless it's a mountain range, so  I don't really care if it's dark in those situations and it'll be live weather and time.

Edited May 12, 20224 yr by ckyliu

7 minutes ago, Nemo said:

Now we have five more = 271 votes 🙂 Just one last comment about this. It is some time ago when during a Q&A session JN asked why simmers would wish historical weather. Not sure if he got a good reply during this session because the users are asking questions and the devloper try to answer them.

Sure, keep boosting and promoting that topic to get people voting for it.  If you can get it over one thousand votes, I think Microsoft/Asobo will take notice of it. I voted for it already so I hope that helps out too.

Edited May 12, 20224 yr by abrams_tank

9 minutes ago, ckyliu said:

Often I will advance or retard time in the sim by 12 hours so I have daylight and can enjoy the scenery, but I'll use live weather (been doing that since FS9 days). 

Yes, I think a lot of people do this. I also do this.  I use live weather, but I just change the time of the day.  This may explain why there are less people pushing for historical weather in MSFS.

Edited May 12, 20224 yr by abrams_tank

1 hour ago, Bigbluss said:

From a technical standpoint I'm not sure what the issue is. It's a technically correct statement followed by my opinion that respectfully states that developers that deliberately compromise home users systems, are not ethically sound and shouldn't continue trading.

If that offends people, we really are amongst snowflakes.

After consultation I have hidden your earlier post. The incident was many years ago and an apology and software correction was issued.

It does no good to keep bringing up old news that benefits no one. It’s not about offending “snowflakes” - it’s an AvSim policy not to hammer developers for a misjudgement especially one several years ago.

Any further posts by anyone regarding that event will be hidden.

@eslader I don't forgive or forget so easily. The personnel or organisation have not fundamentally changed at FSL, it's still Lefteris calling the shots and cashing the profits. I boycott several FS developers and/or products I have criticised, failing to do so would make me a hypocrite. I didn't agree with a lot of developers (PMDG, FS2Crew amongst others) not offering an upgrade path from FSX to P3Dx32 licences for existing owners and forcing a complete repurchase, so I didn't buy their stuff for P3D at all; if I had done, I'd be condoning the practice.

Edited May 12, 20224 yr by ckyliu

And with that a lot of speculation and assumptions have been laid to rest including the assumption the FSL Concorde would "never" come to MSFS... 

It hasn't come until it's come, if you'll forgive the expression. Until there's somewhere to buy it and I can install it on my system, it might as well not exist. When there's not even screenshots of it and no evidence of significant work done towards a project, is it really worthy of consideration in anyone's plans?

The LevelD 757 or DA F100 Virtual Cockpit are good examples of this, announced and even screenshotted but never released. Then there was the shambles of the AirSimmer A320 and modularised CaptainSIm releases that came out half-baked.

I do take @psolk point though, it has removed the "never" element, at least there is an intention now. But you can probably sense I'm quite sceptical as to whether it'll ever actually make an appearance.

Edited May 12, 20224 yr by ckyliu

1 hour ago, GCBraun said:

Well Ray, I remember you saying that there was no way the Concorde would make it to "another 64-bit platform", so hopefully it does not take so long.

As far as I am aware, the SDK issues that still remain tend to affect modern jetliners relying on WASM/C++ powered screens.

How much more complex would be the Concorde in comparison to, for instance, PMDG's DC-6? Considerably more, I would assume but, still, perhaps this old bird could show up in MSFS sooner than you think.

That was because of the statement made by FSL at that time. It wasn’t my own opinion. I’ve no idea what WASM is, sorry. Programming language I assume but only for MSFS.

Concorde has a totally different autopilot system, a flight engineer panel for 13 fuel tanks and a flight model highly sensitive to outside air temperature. Plus supersonic flight of course. All unique to that aircraft. A not inconsiderable task to rewrite the code for a different sim.

1 hour ago, MarkW said:

Even in P3D with Activesky I never used anything other than live weather.  My flights are mostly in NA or Europe so the time difference is not a huge issue.  My morning (local time) weekend flights on Vatsim would be using afternoon EU weather which is ok with me (also on Vatsim everyone should be using the same weather).  Anything in NA is basically the right time.  I can see big issues if you fly in Australia and live in Canada but maybe that is not so common, I don't know.  Regardless Asobo has the weather data and historic weather really should not be a major problem to offer in the sim.

I have bought airports for Australia, New Zealand and Japan primarily for Concorde flights. That’s a 8-11 hour time difference to the UK. Then there’s the West coast of the US and Canada plus Hawaii. 8-11 hours behind the UK so historical weather is very important for me.

I don’t use VATSIM preferring RC4 but that won’t ever work in MSFS which is why I’m reluctant to buy it.

36 minutes ago, ckyliu said:

Historical weather is useless to anyone that flies with online ATC and that's got to be a fair chunk on the hardcore userbase. A lot of the resources used for flight planning, weather charts etc only work from current live data, so with historical weather you can end up with a mismatch.

Often I will advance or retard time in the sim by 12 hours so I have daylight and can enjoy the scenery, but I'll use live weather (been doing that since FS9 days and never found it jarring). This is especially true of VFR as my free time is the late evening, like the majority of people who are working age. But if you're flying longer airliner flights most of it is in cruise anyway where you can't see much unless it's a mountain range, so  I don't really care if it's dark in those situations and it'll be live weather and time.

Not me, see above. I accept historical weather and online ATC are a problem.

But Concorde is one aircraft where the outside air temperature is critical to its operation. In the DVD of the 1999 World Tour it had to depart Madras (now Chennai) very early in the morning as the temperature was cool enough for the departure to Nairobi. A few hours later it would have been too warm. Likewise at high altitude. If the air temp was higher than the standard ISA it affected the climb rate. Ditto for the descent if it was colder than normal.

Hence why having the correct weather for the time of day is more important for Concorde than any other aircraft.

1 hour ago, abrams_tank said:

A collective total of 266 people have voted for historical weather.  #266 that voted for it was me, to help placate your preferences and Ray's preferences, and get this request to Microsoft/Asobo's attention, even though I probably won't use historical weather myself.

Your comment that " MS/Asobo simply do not understand why historical weather and save flight situation would be so important" is wrong because they go by what the flight sim community tells them, by a democratic system of voting. If only 266 people voted for historical weather, of course Microsoft/Asobo are not going to prioritize it.

Sometimes I find it very weird how some people blame Microsoft/Asobo for something, and then when I do my own digging on the issue like this case with historical weather, I find that the flight sim community just doesn't find a certain feature to be a high priority (as proven by the 266 votes, which IMO, is quite low).

I agree with your overall point, but as with everything, timing matters.

We are at the beginning of the phase where most of us start using MSFS in a manner in which the current development team was not considering from the beginning. Simulating scheduled  airline operations. I really don't think this is what the dev team was thinking about from the start. I think their impression was that most users wanted to cruise around in C172s all the time. If they had considered airline operations at all, we would have airline codes at gates, a flight planner /  ATC combination that at least tried to get you to a specified location at the arrival airport, and historical, METAR based weather that matches the data that airlines use. They did not have "Gate to gate" operations in their minds during development.

It matters now. More people will vote than would before when it didn't matter. I also think the dev team will start hearing more and more requests

The “problem” isn’t a new one, or one confined to msfs,  it’s been what we’ve had to deal with since live weather became a thing in sims.  In other sims we’ve had to buy expensive addons to even have the feature, and speaking for myself, I never turned it on, even when I used active sky, as it was just another layer of complexity I didn’t want to deal with most of the time.

it’s not that it doesn’t strike me as a bit “wrong” to fly in weather that doesn’t match the time of day being depicted, but the job as an airman is to deal with the weather that exists, and as long as the weather being depicted is consistent with sources used to prepare for the flight, then that’s fine by me.  I will be happy to vote for the feature, but I think the extent to which this is a problem depends on whether it really bothers you or not, and that likely is few people.

and Fs labs gets no money from me, end of.

4 minutes ago, MDFlier said:

I agree with your overall point, but as with everything, timing matters.

We are at the beginning of the phase where most of us start using MSFS in a manner in which the current development team was not considering from the beginning. Simulating scheduled  airline operations. I really don't think this is what the dev team was thinking about from the start. I think their impression was that most users wanted to cruise around in C172s all the time. If they had considered airline operations at all, we would have airline codes at gates, a flight planner /  ATC combination that at least tried to get you to a specified location at the arrival airport, and historical, METAR based weather that matches the data that airlines use. They did not have "Gate to gate" operations in their minds during development.

It matters now. More people will vote than would before when it didn't matter. I also think the dev team will start hearing more and more requests

Well, the topic is still open for voting. So go vote on it: https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/historic-weather-as-second-timeline/213758.  It was at 266 votes when I voted on it, up to 274 votes now.

If we get it over 1000 votes, I think Microsoft/Asobo will take notice of it. And when you comment in that thread, the thread gets bumped to the top.  There is nothing stopping you, and the community, from voting on this thread now.

Edited May 12, 20224 yr by abrams_tank

4 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

Well, the topic is still open for voting. So go vote on it: https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/historic-weather-as-second-timeline/213758.  It was at 266 votes when I voted on it, up to 274 votes now.

If we get it over 1000 votes, I think Microsoft/Asobo will take notice of it. And when you comment in that thread, the thread gets bumped to the top.  There is nothing stopping you, and the community, from voting on this thread now.

That is the beauty of MSFS’ development process. What are the features planned for P3Dv6? No one knows, perhaps not even LM…

Maybe would be a good idea to get a pinned topic here with a list of wishes including direct link to MSFS official forum. A lot of our requests/needs would get bumped by a non negligible amount.

2 hours ago, JRBarrett said:

It’s not that Asobo does not understand the desire of users for historical weather - The problem is that with the system they currently use, it simply is not possible.

Thank you for providing the best explanation I’ve read of MSFS weather and how it works. 👏

Given it will never be possible to have historical weather without major changes I’ll stick to P3D for my serious flights and use MSFS for pottering around.

2 hours ago, micstatic said:

I also don't understand why more users haven't voted to force asobo to deal with the runway lights being on during the day.  I can't stand that!  even if I love the sim

Two votes. 1 to force runway lights off during day with an intensity setting controllable via atc menu, and a 2nd vote to change light size and intensity based on distance.