Just now, omarsmak30 said:

Honestly I don't find it an interesting feature and never ever used it. Since the beginning I have been always using real time weather  

Yup. That's the general consensus I get too, from AVSIM and other flight simulator forums. It's just not that in demand.  I voted for it anyways, just to help get this to Microsoft/Asobo's attention, because I see so people criticizing MSFS for not having it, although I probably wouldn't use it much myself.

@abrams_tank, thanks for going to the trouble of voting for it. I don’t understand why it isn’t something that more people want. I suppose if you only ever fly in your own country and it’s VFR it isn’t that big a deal.

But I love flying all over the world so the correct weather is important to me especially when those are IFR flights so upper winds are important.

The link to the forum page didn’t work presumably because I don’t have an account.

 

Just now, Ray Proudfoot said:

@abrams_tank, thanks for going to the trouble of voting for it. I don’t understand why it isn’t something that more people want. I suppose if you only ever fly in your own country and it’s VFR it isn’t that big a deal.

But I love flying all over the world so the correct weather is important to me especially when those are IFR flights so upper winds are important.

The link to the forum page didn’t work presumably because I don’t have an account.

 

No problem. I have no issues with voting for it.  As @omarsmak30 said though, it's just not a feature that the community really wants implemented in MSFS, for whatever reason.  

3 minutes ago, omarsmak30 said:

Honestly I don't find it an interesting feature and never ever used it. Since the beginning I have been always using real time weather  

But if you locate to the other side of the world to where you live and then switch to daytime you’re getting nighttime weather for your daytime flight. Temps will be way out and winds too. Isn’t that important to you?

Ray I've voted for it also, but live weather I use 100% of the time, thats all I need, I do change the time of day sometimes but I get your needs. Hopefully it will come and you come over to MSFS.

All the best Ray.

It's hard for me to read this announcement as anything other than the "deer in the headlights" as I've come to expect from FSL. (I would preface that with "I'm sorry to say," but, as others have said, any sympathy or goodwill I had for FSL disappeared instantly and irrevocably with their malware stunt.)

They're just now preparing to turn to MSFS? Nearly two years into the platform? And they're going to start with an aircraft that's 1) already available in the base platform, 2) has a very high-quality freeware available that is going to continue to be developed and enhanced during the whole lead-up to FSL releasing its own product, and 3) is about to face direct competition from a payware product that, if it delivers even 70% of what it's promising, will set the new "study-level" bar to beat for addon aircraft on any platform.

Good luck with that!

 

I also don't understand why more users haven't voted to force asobo to deal with the runway lights being on during the day.  I can't stand that!  even if I love the sim

Well so there is hope at last, even though they still seem to be very reluctant to do something with the "limiting" MSFS.

The Concorde, if it ever releases for MSFS, could be a success, even more so the A330 (no matter if there is Aerosoft's version; that was the case with the A320 on P3D and still FSL's version sold very well). Actually, the only possible survival I see for them IS the A330 - and it better be ready next year. There is no chance they will be able to finance a high fidelity Concord or A330, well not even a high fidelity A320NEO, only by selling it on P3D. They will either have to drastically reduce their investment and subsequently the quality of their products, or they have to start focusing on MSFS right now.

Unfortunately to me between the lines it seems like it's too late already, from what I've heard a lot of talented people left FSL because there was no future to be seen (it's hinted at in FSL's announcement). Now they are probably left with a worse, new team and way behind the market situation. Still they seem to have their focus on P3D and that's why I predict they will be effectively dead as a developer (perhaps like Qualitywings). Sad to say.

Edited May 12, 20224 yr by Fiorentoni

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I anticipate it will take several years before it arrives. Their development time, not impacting P3D sales plus an incomplete SDK guarantees that.

Well Ray, I remember you saying that there was no way the Concorde would make it to "another 64-bit platform", so hopefully it does not take so long.

As far as I am aware, the SDK issues that still remain tend to affect modern jetliners relying on WASM/C++ powered screens.

How much more complex would be the Concorde in comparison to, for instance, PMDG's DC-6? Considerably more, I would assume but, still, perhaps this old bird could show up in MSFS sooner than you think.

 

4 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

But if you locate to the other side of the world to where you live and then switch to daytime you’re getting nighttime weather for your daytime flight. Temps will be way out and winds too. Isn’t that important to you?

Even in P3D with Activesky I never used anything other than live weather.  My flights are mostly in NA or Europe so the time difference is not a huge issue.  My morning (local time) weekend flights on Vatsim would be using afternoon EU weather which is ok with me (also on Vatsim everyone should be using the same weather).  Anything in NA is basically the right time.  I can see big issues if you fly in Australia and live in Canada but maybe that is not so common, I don't know.  Regardless Asobo has the weather data and historic weather really should not be a major problem to offer in the sim.

48 minutes ago, Nemo said:

I totally agree with you Ray. Unfortunately, it seems MS/Asobo simply do not understand why historical weather and save flight situation would be so important. I'm afraid we'll never get this - at least not in the near future.

It’s not that Asobo does not understand the desire of users for historical weather - The problem is that with the system they currently use, it simply is not possible.

With MeteoBlue, the entire worldwide atmosphere is modeled. I have worked with other weather models professionally, and they are typically huge - often many hundreds of gigabytes for a complete dataset. MeteoBlue generates and sends the model data to Microsoft every 12 hours where it is imported into Azure to be provided to all MSFS clients using LiveWeather. If a given MSFS aircraft is flying at (example) latitude N35.34, longitude E005.23 at 10,000 feet MSL at 13:30Z it will send a request for the weather parameters for those coordinates, altitude and time, and the Azure server will return it.

With Active Sky in FSX and P3D, the complete weather file is sent to the end user’s computer. Their weather file consists of all current worldwide METAR observations (which are in simple text format) all winds aloft for the world, (again in text format), and a very simplified subset of data from the GFS model - adequate to place areas of clouds and precip in the correct locations but not as detailed as what is provided by the MeteoBlue model MSFS uses.

I believe the ActiveSky current weather file is only a couple of hundred megabytes in size, and they can easily store copies of the combined METAR/WINDS/simpified model data for each hour of every day going back many years on their servers. It is easy to fetch and deliver historical weather in this way to an individual ActiveSky client requesting it.

Not so with MSFS using the complete worldwide NEMS model. The model weather dataset is far too big to be sent to or stored on any MSFS end-user’s computer. The only way this kind of system can work is to have the model stored on the servers at Microsoft, and the relevant data streamed to end users to produce the weather at and surrounding the aircraft location. Historical weather simply is not (ever) going to possible with this kind of system.

Edited May 12, 20224 yr by JRBarrett

3 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

It’s not that Asobo does not understand the desire of users for historical weather - The problem is that with the system they currently use, it simply is not possible.

With MeteoBlue, the entire worldwide atmosphere is modeled. I have worked with other weather models professionally, and they are typically huge - often many hundreds of gigabytes for a complete dataset. MeteoBlue generates and sends the model data to Microsoft every 12 hours where it is imported into Azure to be provided to all MSFS clients using LiveWeather. If a given MSFS aircraft is flying at (example) latitude N35.34, longitude E005.23 at 10,000 feet MSL at 13:30Z it will send a request for the weather parameters for that coordinate altitude and time, and the Azure server will return it.

 

I could be mistaken, but I believe Meteoblue does have historical weather if you pay for it. So they do store the data somewhere.

FSL/Lefteris only now speaking up about their MSFS plans around the time that Fenix is about to release is not exactly coincidental me thinks 🙂 ... well, whatever it takes for them to update us more, and speed up on development.

Edited May 12, 20224 yr by lwt1971

Just now, Tuskin38 said:

I could be mistaken, but I believe Meteoblue does have historical weather if you pay for it. So they do store the data somewhere.

They do, and it is typically used by meteorologists and other researchers investigating climate trends etc. The problem is the huge size of the datasets. There is no way to provide that information to an individual FS user who wants to fly in historical weather for a past date and time.

1 minute ago, Nyxx said:

Sorry I just hate people putting out wrong info and you of all people should know the full facts. Sorry if you take it as a personally insult. It would help if you explained fully just who did get what your talking about and what happen to all the buyers of the FSLA320. Give a full picture. 

Now...am done. PM me if you wish to talk again sorry its not personal.

No problem at all I appreciate the apology - thanks for your message 🙂 I know differences of opinion can get heated on forums!