Sales of PMDG 737-700 exceeded even most optimistic forecast

[Christopher Low 5,393]

I have to agree. There is no way that I would be flying over scenery that looks like that.

[Matchstick 1,902]

1 minute ago, Bobsk8 said:

Better flight modeling of XP 11, oh please, not again with the word not allowed. 

I'm sorry you don't like the fact, but it is, if only because it's the flight model and SDK are far more mature than in MSFS.

[MDFlier 2,031]

36 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

I'm sorry you don't like the fact, but it is, if only because it's the flight model and SDK are far more mature than in MSFS.

If that scenery was created with a more "mature" SDK, then I think I 'll need to wait until XP hits the retirement home. It might be ready for prime time by then.

[2reds2whites 827]

19 hours ago, David Mills said:

Yes, like Tiger Woods and I emphasize different aspects of golf.

Great line.

[Matchstick 1,902]

6 minutes ago, MDFlier said:

If that scenery was created with a more "mature" SDK, then I think I 'll need to wait until XP hits the retirement home. It might be ready for prime time by then.

It's almost like XP doesn't concentrate on the scenery in the core package and allows people to add what they want.

Some people like that concept, some people don't

[Bobsk8 12,856]

50 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

I'm sorry you don't like the fact, but it is, if only because it's the flight model and SDK are far more mature than in MSFS.

I am a licensed pilot and have been for over 40 years. I have flown both XP and MSFS, and I always felt like XP was unrealistic and didn't feel like a real aircraft. I have several aircraft that I fly in MSFS, and they do fly and feel like a real aircraft to me. Many career pilots have moved to MSFS. XP is as relevant today as the 8 track tape player. 

Edited September 16, 2022 by Bobsk8

[Matchstick 1,902]

3 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I am a licensed pilot and have been for over 40 years. I have flown both XP and MSFS, and I always felt like XP was unrealistic and didn't feel like a real aircraft. I have several aircraft that I fly in MSFS, and they do fly and feel like a real aircraft to me. Many career pilots have moved to MSFS. XP is as relevant today as the 8 track tape player. 

So presumably you disagree with all the complaints we've seen (and continue to see) in here about all the problems with the MSFS flight model.

Ultimately That's OK, it's your opinion, I think you're wrong but that's just my opinion as well.

[Bobsk8 12,856]

4 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

So presumably you disagree with all the complaints we've seen (and continue to see) in here about all the problems with the MSFS flight model.

Ultimately That's OK, it's your opinion, I think you're wrong but that's just my opinion as well.

Ii also see many complaints about the XP flight model,  so who is correct is a toss up. I just know what feels right to me. All I know is developers seem to be leaving XP in droves, and moving to MSFS. 

Edited September 16, 2022 by Bobsk8

[Matchstick 1,902]

8 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Ii also see many complaints about the XP flight model,  so who is correct is a toss up. I just know what feels right to me. All I know is developers seem to be leaving XP in droves, and moving to MSFS. 

Fair enough.

I would say that even if XP objectively had the best flight model the fact that MSFS has far more market penetration & sales world encourage Devs to move.

If devs were primarily chasing the sim with the best flght model we might have seen more people create planes (especially helicopters) for Aerofly FS2

Edited September 16, 2022 by Matchstick

[Matchstick 1,902]

11 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

All I know is developers seem to be leaving XP in droves, and moving to MSFS. 

I ask this as a genuine question not as any kind of gotcha or rebuttal, apart from iniBuilds who are you thinking of in terms of devs ? I know several who looks to be supporting XP and MSFS but I'm genuinely interested which others ones are switching away from XP entirely ?

(I know JF are example are developing primarily for MSFS and getting Thranda to do XP ports of new planes but that's not that much different from when they developed primarily for P3D and Thranda did the XP ports)

[Noel 4,563]

48 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I am a licensed pilot and have been for over 40 years. I have flown both XP and MSFS, and I always felt like XP was unrealistic and didn't feel like a real aircraft. I have several aircraft that I fly in MSFS, and they do fly and feel like a real aircraft to me. Many career pilots have moved to MSFS. XP is as relevant today as the 8 track tape player. 

This is a small N but at least here in Avsim it pretty much sums it up:

RW pilots who have used ALL of these: XP/P3D/FSX/MSFS. Ran - Hangar Chat - The AVSIM Community

[Bobsk8 12,856]

2 minutes ago, Noel said:

This is a small N but at least here in Avsim it pretty much sums it up:

RW pilots who have used ALL of these: XP/P3D/FSX/MSFS. Ran - Hangar Chat - The AVSIM Community

XP has always been around 10%  at most of flight simmers. It is a niche of a niche. 

[Noel 4,563]

1 minute ago, Bobsk8 said:

XP has always been around 10%  at most of flight simmers. It is a niche of a niche. 

Pretty remarkable RW pilots found themselves using MSFS over XP despite the much better flight model in XP 😉

[Matchstick 1,902]

25 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

XP has always been around 10%  at most of flight simmers. It is a niche of a niche. 

The Navigraph survey results don't agree with that. However this is a survey with a self-selecting sample so I don't know how much emphasis can be put on the raw numbers, so if there are alternative survey sources I'd be very interested in seeing those.

https://navigraph.com/blog/flightsim-community-survey-2018-results
https://navigraph.com/blog/flightsim-community-survey-2019-results
https://navigraph.com/blog/flightsim-community-2020-survey-results
https://navigraph.com/blog/survey2021

Edited September 16, 2022 by Matchstick

[SierraDelta 1,355]

Here we are again .... a thread completely derailed, once again turned into one sim vs. another. This place ....