5 hours ago, Jeeeno said:

For the first time ever, yesterday I managed to record MSFS stupid gusts at FL390. Not only stupid gusts on final, but even during cruise. Unbelievable. And people call this realistic 🙈

I've actually seen those type of ASI effects real world when dealing with light to moderate chops at altitude, it's mostly associated with turbulence. When flying into clouds and the jet stream in the winter, you will see it as well. But you won't see it without the associated bumps and chops. Also, the wind vector on the NAV display usually takes it's info from the inertial reference systems and is more stable unless it's a large variance. Airspeed on the other hand, is more sensitive due to the pressure changes caused by winds and turbulence at the tube. You will definitely see this when approaching the Rockies here in the states. It's mountain wave turbulence and it comes on as a quick increase of moderate/severe turbulence with the ASI fluxing and increasing towards the barber pole. You will sometimes get the intermittent over speed warning if you didn't catch what's happening and manually reduce the power. It stables out and then starts again on the other side and shows ASI flux as the speed starts to quickly decrease. But in any case, should be associated with turbulence and impact on the aircraft. I would take the video over to their forums and submit it with context.

It makes me wonder how they are implementing their turbulence and gusts. Gusts should be easy as it's recordable, but turbulence is mainly reported and estimated based on conditions. I have a turbulence selection on my weather RADAR, but it only looks at reflection intensity on the display and estimates the turbulence and give it a color code. It basically looks and says there is intense rainfall over here so there is a storm possibly associated and the turbulence will probably be here. I have never seen anyone use it. Outside of clouds, mechanical area, thermals, reports and strong varying winds, it's hard to implement turbulence realistically. I wonder are they using an all or none method that makes the turbulence indication show when there isn't any🤔. 

       

1 hour ago, sd_flyer said:

My planes didn't oscillate. What 3rd pay airplane you use?

It also seems to be one of those cases that may be based on the flight model setup. Possibly the setup could make the aircraft more susceptible to changes that impact it. It would explain why some aircraft have a profound impact and others don't. The beauty of developing on the fly lol. Brings a lot of tweaking by third party developers. In my product management world, we call them dependencies lol.

Rick

Here is vid of approach follow go around in 737 . I urge audience to look closely at airspeed tape during approach especially speed variations (you can zoom in to right PFD)

 

58 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Here is vid of approach follow go around in 737 . I urge audience to look closely at airspeed tape during approach especially speed variations (you can zoom in to right PFD)

An you can see they are being bumped around as well.

This thread has been fun to read for the most part. 

It's quite apparent (to me at least) who the real Pilots are on here and who are the fantasists.

"Flying" a computer in your bedroom for hundreds or thousands of hours does NOT qualify you to comment on the realism of the weather system in MSFS.

So best stop making a fool of yourselves posting nonsense about what is, or isn't realistic. You don't know - you are not qualified to fly a real aircraft and will have little or no experience flying in "real weather" except maybe from the back of a holiday jet.

The aerodynamics and weather depiction in the MSFS game are not realistic. It's a total bodge job. Period.

For those not from the United Kingdom:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bodge_job#:~:text=bodge%20job%20(plural%20bodge%20jobs,without%20using%20the%20correct%20tools.

Enjoy this game. I've uninstalled mine. Back to the real skies. Much less stressful :)

 

 

 

 

25 minutes ago, TrafficPilot said:

So best stop making a fool of yourselves posting nonsense about what is, or isn't realistic. You don't know - you are not qualified to fly a real aircraft and will have little or no experience flying in "real weather" except maybe from the back of a holiday jet.

Enjoy this game. I've uninstalled mine. Back to the real skies. Much less stressful :)

Condescending much? There's a whole bunch of real pilots arguing in favor of the gusts, but they don't post their licenses here so I guess that doesn't count.

Anyhow, I'm thoroughly enjoying the entertainment that comes out of gusts topics from the back of my holiday jet. :)

Edited October 10, 20223 yr by threegreen

29 minutes ago, TrafficPilot said:

The aerodynamics and weather depiction in the MSFS game are not realistic. It's a total bodge job. Period.

He said "Period", so he must be right. You all can stop arguing now.

33 minutes ago, TrafficPilot said:

This thread has been fun to read for the most part. 

It's quite apparent (to me at least) who the real Pilots are on here and who are the fantasists.

"Flying" a computer in your bedroom for hundreds or thousands of hours does NOT qualify you to comment on the realism of the weather system in MSFS.

So best stop making a fool of yourselves posting nonsense about what is, or isn't realistic. You don't know - you are not qualified to fly a real aircraft and will have little or no experience flying in "real weather" except maybe from the back of a holiday jet.

The aerodynamics and weather depiction in the MSFS game are not realistic. It's a total bodge job. Period.

For those not from the United Kingdom:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bodge_job#:~:text=bodge job (plural bodge jobs,without using the correct tools.

Enjoy this game. I've uninstalled mine. Back to the real skies. Much less stressful 🙂

 

 

 

 

So long, don\'t let the door hit you on the way out. 😉

4 minutes ago, crimplene said:

He said "Period", so he must be right. You all can stop arguing now.

🤣

I'll disagree a bit with the assertion that wave will not exist without chop.  You can see wave effects to the airspeed without turbulence; you can also see wave effects with very nasty turbulence.  You'll see both with mountain wave and jetstream wave, especially oceanic, though I agree it's more commonly turbulent.  But it doesn't *have* to be. 

The wind vector indication on the 737 is definitely wrong though.  Whether gusts simply aren't observed with that rate of instantaneous change, or whether aircraft systems apply some smoothing to what's observed, the speed numbers definitely don't flicker that way in any jet I've flown to include 737s.

Video of the go-around.... geez. There's someone who ought not to have a check airman letter. 

2 hours ago, TrafficPilot said:

This thread has been fun to read for the most part. 

It's quite apparent (to me at least) who the real Pilots are on here and who are the fantasists.

"Flying" a computer in your bedroom for hundreds or thousands of hours does NOT qualify you to comment on the realism of the weather system in MSFS.

So best stop making a fool of yourselves posting nonsense about what is, or isn't realistic. You don't know - you are not qualified to fly a real aircraft and will have little or no experience flying in "real weather" except maybe from the back of a holiday jet.

The aerodynamics and weather depiction in the MSFS game are not realistic. It's a total bodge job. Period.

For those not from the United Kingdom:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bodge_job#:~:text=bodge job (plural bodge jobs,without using the correct tools.

Enjoy this game. I've uninstalled mine. Back to the real skies. Much less stressful 🙂

 

 

 

 

You're ruining the fantasy of all these 'real pilots' playing on their computers and living in a world of make-believe in between their shifts at Wal-Mart,   The current MSFS2020 wind gusts are real to these people because someone claiming to be a real pilot TOLD them it was realistic, lol.    You'll never change their minds.  

Have fun flying actual airplanes though.   Just don't be surprised if God didn't get the wind behavior right though because he didn't consult with Asobo first.  

On 10/9/2022 at 4:28 AM, redshift27 said:

Randazzo of PMDG in his latest status update:

"Some of these fixes are things that we were working on during the MSFS SU10 beta period in order to improve stability of of control-related functions such as pitch, yaw, roll and thrust. The MSFS environment is significantly more dynamic than the real world environment- and this creates some interesting engineering challenges in order to ensure that the airplane flies properly. "

Precisely.   Or to translate to more colloquial language:

"We're trying to overcome the screwed up weather system put out by Asobo so our 737 doesn't crash on every flight"   

This would normally be the time where Ray enters the room, turns on the lights and tells everyone it’s time to go home. 

2 hours ago, TrafficPilot said:

It's quite apparent (to me at least) who the real Pilots are on here and who are the fantasists.

"Flying" a computer in your bedroom for hundreds or thousands of hours does NOT qualify you to comment on the realism of the weather system in MSFS.

So best stop making a fool of yourselves posting nonsense about what is, or isn't realistic. You don't know - you are not qualified to fly a real aircraft and will have little or no experience flying in "real weather" except maybe from the back of a holiday jet.

The aerodynamics and weather depiction in the MSFS game are not realistic. It's a total bodge job. Period.

Enjoy this game. I've uninstalled mine. Back to the real skies. Much less stressful 🙂

Ouch, that is a tad harsh!

If you have flown in this sim to any extent you know in your mind that your words saying “The aerodynamics and weather depiction in the MSFS game are not realistic. It's a total bodge job. Period.” is significantly overstated.

The vast majority of the weather features in this sim are state of the art for the home computer and I’ve had a good deal of experience in the sky. Aspects of the weather are very realistic. Yes, definitely there are some problems with the modelling of the wind gusts in terms of rapidly oscillating directions and perhaps frequency of the gusts. In terms of strength expect anything just like in real life! You can have all the fancy technology you want in your aircraft to monitor wind/gusts and forecast the winds aloft - but when you are up there, the wind changes can prove the technology wrong very quickly.

Dedicated flight simulation enthusiasts are not making “fools of themselves” with responsible input from their life learning experiences regardless if they are not pilots in real life. 

BTW my computer is not located in the bedroom. 

55 minutes ago, Doering said:

Ouch, that is a tad harsh!

To put it mildly. I chose not to reply even though I was very tempted to. It seemed like a rant with intentionally provocative statements, especially with regards to MSFS being a game, which is known to trigger people. 

I think one of the biggest problems with winds post SU10 is excessive movement in the yaw axis. 

Edited October 10, 20223 yr by Cpt_Piett