2 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Here is reality - I flew several students yesterday. We had 4 kts crosswind and one of my "inherited" post solo student couldn't hold a centerline. I should probably endorse his next solo with wind limitation 2 kts LOL By the way he is a pilot too!

 On serious note in expression "plots" mileage can vary. We have a saying: "there are two type of pilots, those who are humbled and those who about to (get humbled)" .

Just able to fly  is not necessarily translate is  precession flying like holding your heading, speed and altitude regardless environment is another. There are many level of finesse pilotage!  If anything MSFS does have problem with ground handling and how other perhaps bigger airplanes are behaving in strong winds, but I don't think winds or live weather itself are the problem.  I have experience smooth air and many instances flying in post SU10. MSFS actually did amazing job reflecting this amazing living world which can make each flight to the destination different. That why flying is never boring and that why weather can humble pilot easily. The only difference IRL there are no developer to complain to LOL

 

I always think about the crash at SFO years ago when an Asiana flight 214 on Landing at KSFO, crashed short of the ruwnay. I think there were 4 pilots on the flight deck, one was a check pilot or instructor. because they actually had to hand  fly the aircraft rather than using autopilot an ILS, these four didn't realize they were both low and slow, even though they had Papi lights and the visual of the runway..So basically, they couldn't even hand fly the landing. 

This is gonna sound condescending but Im beyond caring.

Anybody is entitled to give their opinion on whether or not the weather and flight dynamics of MSFS suit them and their idea of what makes a good sim, but those who have never flown irl  really shouldnt be making continued bold assertions regarding its realism.

Surely its not hard to understand that someone with no actual experience of a situation has rather limited ability to make an educated critique of a simulation of that same situation

Far too many seem to think Google skills can replace experience

Flame suit not donned, my skin is thick

59 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I always think about the crash at SFO years ago when an Asiana flight 214 on Landing at KSFO, crashed short of the ruwnay. I think there were 4 pilots on the flight deck, one was a check pilot or instructor. because they actually had to hand  fly the aircraft rather than using autopilot an ILS, these four didn't realize they were both low and slow, even though they had Papi lights and the visual of the runway..So basically, they couldn't even hand fly the landing. 

Yes it well analyzed and unfortunate accident. Senior 747 pilot but not well familiar with 777 was flying airplane. Others in cockpit due to cultural constrains didn't dare to tell PIC he was off. Failed CRM in it worst. 

1 hour ago, sd_flyer said:

I should probably endorse his next solo with wind limitation 2 kts LOL By the way he is a pilot too!

When I was a student my Instructor gave me a card with a solo wind limitation of 3 knots, and so for the entire winter I didn't get to solo. It slowed me down a semester with my ratings so in spring while I was in Instrument Ground School and had completed my instrument written exam I was still in Private Pilot Flying courses working on my PPL.

My nickname for about a year was "3 knots". 😂

52 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Yes it well analyzed and unfortunate accident. Senior 747 pilot but not well familiar with 777 was flying airplane. Others in cockpit due to cultural constrains didn't dare to tell PIC he was off. Failed CRM in it worst. 

What I can't figure out is how Four Pilots can be looking out the windscreen, see Papi lights are all a solid RED, and not think something is about to turn to world not allowed..

3 hours ago, F737MAX said:

Been there, done that, thanks.
So have other pilots on this thread.

But the issue is, the majority of real life pilots in this thread, and 2 other threads that I monitor about the new gusts in SU 10, like the new gusts. On top of that, you have the poll in the official MSFS forums, with 97% of the poll takers saying they like the new gusts in SU 10, many of the 97% including real life pilots.

The gusts aren't perfect and of course need further tweaking, but the consensus that I have read by real life pilots is that they are a step in the right direction.

22 hours ago, LouP said:

This is so much better and why not everyone can fly a plane well irl and sometimes get killed trying.  We All can't and shouldn't get the trophy! lol The majority of people who "Sim" here want the realism, that's why we use the flight "simulator".

LouP

Today I thought I would do my fall colors flight as I want to do a video comparison to Accuseason. Checked the winds before leaving the house and all was good (gusting up to 10kts). 35 minute drive to the airport. Arrived at 10:15. Pre-flight and pulled the airplane out of the hangar. You know the winds are up there when the tail starts banging from side to side and the stick is moving from side to side from the wind gusts - not looking or sounding good! Set the cameras rolling and hop in at 10:45. I look directly at the wind sock when I start the airplane. Windsock now showing 12kts and sometimes gusting 15kts from the southwest right down the middle of RWY 17 and 23. My comfort level is 15 kts max. So much for fall colors today! Push the plane back into the hangar. Drive home and here I am!

@sd_flyer In the category - I am humbled! 

Just checked the winds now (1:10). 12 gusting 21kts! Southern Ontario fall weather - beautiful colors but crazy changing unrealistic winds!

Wind gusts in the sim - realistic to some and not realistic to others - I take whatever is thrown at me in the sim because you can always fly!

PS In the sim I find the winds just fine. The only exception is the influence on ground handling especially at touchdown in small aircraft.

Edited October 21, 20223 yr by Doering

22 minutes ago, Doering said:

Wind gusts in the sim - realistic to some and not realistic to others - I take whatever is thrown at me in the sim because you can always fly!

PS In the sim I find the winds just fine. The only exception is the influence on ground handling especially at touchdown in small aircraft.

Interesting anecdote Lawrence! .. Need to get out of Toronto soon myself to photograph some of the fall colors 🙂

As for ground handling issues especially in wind, a lot of 3rd party and default aircraft don't yet make use of the improvements/fixes Asobo put out in SU10 (except for the Fenix and some others)... if you're able to access and edit the flight_model.cfg file for your aircraft, go to the [FLIGHT TUNING] section and add these parameters below, and can try playing around with the values if the default values don't help (i.e. increasing the scalars 1.1, 1.2, 1.5, 2.0, etc):

     ground_crosswind_effect_max_speed = -150
     ground_crosswind_effect_zero_speed = -150
     ground_high_speed_steeringwheel_static_friction_scalar = 1
     ground_high_speed_otherwheel_static_friction_scalar = 1

More info about these parameters here: https://docs.flightsimulator.com/html/Content_Configuration/SimObjects/Aircraft_SimO/flight_model_cfg.htm?rhhlterm=ground_high_speed_steeringwheel_static_friction_scalar ... hopefully most of the current 3rd party aircraft out there will be updated soon, and also the default ones when SU11 comes out.
 

Edited October 21, 20223 yr by lwt1971

 

@HiFlyer Sweet! That takes the cake! Never seen that extreme angle before touchdown!

In MSFS, if you set clear skies and no wind, then there will still be ground gusts. But there's an icon at the bottom of the weather page that indicates there is still ground level gusts. Click on that icon and a popup appears to also delete this ground layer of gusts too. There will then be no gusts at all anywhere in your flight. None!

You can then crank up gusts in whatever layers you want. It takes an extra step before you fly but nobody has to have any gusts at all if they don't want them or you can set wind and gusts to be whatever you wish. 

It is fully unrealistic whether at altitide or approach and needs to be fixed.  Highly simiar to the overeffects previously introduced with previous SUs in regards of icing and thunder/lightening. There is no realism. Just, you want lightenng? We'll give you lightening! You want icing?  OK take this!  It all seems so over-responsive!

 

Feb 18, 2022 Eunice hit the UK and somebody went out to Heathrow and did an 8 hour landings video. I think there's a couple dozen videos of wind on other days at EGLC London City (water hazard and steep angles). 

8 hours at Heathrow, I'll only post a link, video is too long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPQh1FrbOc0

 

7 hours ago, fppilot said:

It is fully unrealistic whether at altitide or approach and needs to be fixed.  Highly simiar to the overeffects previously introduced with previous SUs in regards of icing and thunder/lightening. There is no realism. Just, you want lightenng? We'll give you lightening! You want icing?  OK take this!  It all seems so over-responsive!

 

Game simmers don't want realism, dod gammit.   They want to prove they are real pilots by constantly praising the unrealistic winds in MSFS2020 because doing so validates them as being a real pilot instead of just a gamer.   Real, real pilots in the real world call out Asobo immediately for unrealistic wind representation, unless they work for PMDG and have an agenda to sell PMDG products on a flawed simulator platform.   Then of course the hoards of fake real pilot gamers see the video the aforementioned actual real pilot who works for PMDG posts on Youtube and this immediately becomes the Golden Calf they worship.  

Meanwhile, yah, the winds in MSFS2020 are thoroughly screwed up and will very likely remain so if until Asobo actually consults with real pilots, this being bloody unlikely as the gamer crowd pretending to be real pilots demand what they think is real because someone else told them it was.    On and on it goes.   

Edited October 27, 20223 yr by hobart escin

Would that be why the nose of my light aircraft drops sharply for no reason at random times?