Just to show that you can land the Fenix A320 (latest version v1.0.6.146) comfortably.
Bit annoyed that the scenery triggered the GPWS alerts on short final. If I had followed the G/S path or the PAPI lights, I would have landed long.

Landing report here:
https://i.imgur.com/Wurzkle.png

 

 

17 minutes ago, F737MAX said:

Just to show that you can land the Fenix A320 (latest version v1.0.6.146) comfortably.
Bit annoyed that the scenery triggered the GPWS alerts on short final. If I had followed the G/S path or the PAPI lights, I would have landed long.

Landing report here:
https://i.imgur.com/Wurzkle.png

 

 

I agree, to avoid a long landing, I have to approach below the glideslope, otherwise I would overshoot the touchdown zone. 

Edited December 14, 20223 yr by Bobsk8

25 minutes ago, F737MAX said:

Just to show that you can land the Fenix A320 (latest version v1.0.6.146) comfortably.

Hard to tell because of the snow but with the lighting it looks like you only just made the touchdown zone.

Would be interested to see a vid with a smooth landing like that right on the markers.

12 minutes ago, abennett said:

it looks like you only just made the touchdown zone.

As I pointed out earlier:

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Bit annoyed that the scenery triggered the GPWS alerts on short final. If I had followed the G/S path or the PAPI lights, I would have landed long.

I had to manually judge/guess the rate of descent required to put the aircraft down in the TDZ. This was because the scenery's PAPI lights and glideslope didn't guide me to the 1,000 feet markers on the runway.
A landing in the TDZ is still a legitimate landing.

Anyway, here are two real-world A320 pilots landing the Fenix A320 in more challenging scenarios:

• https://youtu.be/FdjVfSdIK94?t=525
• https://youtu.be/YrRL8i6c4z8?t=983

 

  

1 hour ago, Jeff Nielsen said:

Also, there's still the uncommanded acceleration to 250 knots when approaching decel.  Not sure if this has been noted or not.

I have noticed that, which is a little frustrating when trying to bleed off speed for flap extension and get prepped for the approach.
Just have to go with selected speed, rather than managed for now.

41 minutes ago, abennett said:

Hard to tell because of the snow but with the lighting it looks like you only just made the touchdown zone.

Would be interested to see a vid with a smooth landing like that right on the markers.

As I posted above, the Glide slope and the PAPI lights will guarantee that you will miss the touchdown zone. I can't figure out if this is a Fenix issue or a MSFS issue, but I realized that I had to disengage the AP at least 7450 feet AGL, and then push the nose down and aim for the runway threshold, flare about 50 feet, and every landing is rated good.  

20 minutes ago, F737MAX said:

 

Anyway, here are two real-world A320 pilots landing the Fenix A320 in more challenging scenarios:

• https://youtu.be/FdjVfSdIK94?t=525
• https://youtu.be/YrRL8i6c4z8?t=983

 

 

Notice in both the landings, they overshot the touchdown zone, and in the second one where he was on the ILS, also notice that he was below the glideslope at around 150 feet, and still landed long. 

Edited December 14, 20223 yr by Bobsk8

6 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

As I posted above, the Glide slope and the PAPI lights will guarantee that you will miss the touchdown zone. I can't figure out if this is a Fenix issue or a MSFS issue, but I realized that I had to disengage the AP at least 7450 feet AGL, and then push the nose down and aim for the runway threshold, flare about 50 feet, and every landing is rated good.  
 

 

glide slope and papi lights depends on scenery... Custom sceneries can have different glide slope angles, like at real life.

Edited December 14, 20223 yr by spitzer45

7 hours ago, abennett said:

Hard to tell because of the snow but with the lighting it looks like you only just made the touchdown zone.

Would be interested to see a vid with a smooth landing like that right on the markers.

No one in their right mind would land smoothly right on the touchdown markers, at least in real life. To do that with an airliner you would have to aim (on most runways) for the actual runway threshold, which in many airports will mean your 3 degree glidepath on final would lead you to crash right into a hill or a tree or into the sea like the Asiana at SFO couple of years ago. There's a reason the touchdown markers are quite beyond the threshold.

You can safely land right on the markers but you'd have to cut short your flare and therefore will not land smoothly but at firm or even hard. Airliners will do that on short and/or contaminated runways where the stopping distance is critical and the margin of error is small.

So you shouldn't expect the Fenix to be able to do something that no real airliner can (or would) do.

Edited December 14, 20223 yr by Fiorentoni

3 hours ago, spitzer45 said:

glide slope and papi lights depends on scenery... Custom sceneries can have different glide slope angles, like at real life.

In real life the angle of the GS is measured and posted on the charts, I aam not talking about the angle, usually 3.0 degrees, I aam talking about being right on the GS and landing 2000 feet past the 1,000 foot mark every time. 

11 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

I agree, to avoid a long landing, I have to approach below the glideslope, otherwise I would overshoot the touchdown zone. 

true, I do the same on most approaches.. I follow the ILS diamonds until I'm close enough, then switch to view outside and maintain 2 reds 2 whites and then dip even further down below the 3 deg slope, so that I can complete my landing within the TDZ.. even with all this, I usually touch down at the very end of TDZ.. it takes a long flare to get sub 300 fpm.. at times i get below 100, but mostly below 300 fpm..

The other issue with x-winds is pmdg has found a way to tame the over aggressive ground effects, but fenix does sway side to side at times, after touchdown with x-wind.. I usually avoid x-winds on fenix, but take them on with pmdg..

Edited December 14, 20223 yr by vin747

26 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

In real life the angle of the GS is measured and posted on the charts, I aam not talking about the angle, usually 3.0 degrees, I aam talking about being right on the GS and landing 2000 feet past the 1,000 foot mark every time. 

Several airports have ILS glideslopes that are completely unreliable. I was surprised when I found this to be true also with FT's KLAS. If I didn't disconnect the autopilot and go manual flight I would have flown into trees and houses. Granted, that was in the A310, but I doubt it would have been any different in the Fenix. 

Edited December 14, 20223 yr by Cpt_Piett

3 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

No one in their right mind would land smoothly right on the touchdown markers, at least in real life. To do that with an airliner you would have to aim (on most runways) for the actual runway threshold, which in many airports will mean your 3 degree glidepath on final would lead you to crash right into a hill or a tree or into the sea like the Asiana at SFO couple of years ago. There's a reason the touchdown markers are quite beyond the threshold.

You can safely land right on the markers but you'd have to cut short your flare and therefore will not land smoothly but at firm or even hard. Airliners will do that on short and/or contaminated runways where the stopping distance is critical and the margin of error is small.

So you shouldn't expect the Fenix to be able to do something that no real airliner can (or would) do.

You are mixing up runway threshold and touchdown zone. Two different things. Airliners land on the touchdown zone all day long at every airport I have been to, and I have been to some of the largest airports. I don't expect the Fenix, when on the glideslope, to land close to the departure end of the runway, that's for sure. https://skybrary.aero/articles/touchdown-zone-tdz

 

A landing within the touchdown zone isn't just preferable here, it's necessary for a safe landing. Beyond go-arounds, your calculated landing distance usually assumes crossing the threshold at around 50 feet and touching down within the touchdown zone.Apr 30, 2020

 

12 hours ago, F737MAX said:

Just to show that you can land the Fenix A320

thanks for sharing, I have the same observation that the Fenix can be landed just fine manually. just 1 question, though, which A/P mapping do you use? When you disable the AP at around 1:09 it beeps and stays silent. whenever I disconnect the AP it beeps and keeps beeping until I click on the red master warning ... which right before landing is sometime tricky and annoying

Finally I did a video, it is showing a simulate emergency after take off, but today I didn't have any problem with an unresponsive airplane, the problem was linked to the FBW nature of this airplane: there is a bank angle and probably a pitch up/down protection even if you drive it manually. At some point you can see that going in a turn over 30° will determine an auto fbw correction.

I had a phone call in the middle of this flight test, sorry.

I had some hard feelings against this Fenix A320 caused by my inexperience about FBW airplanes, sorry for this too. Hoping that someone will solve the icing effects problem, I want it enabled.

 

10 minutes ago, Claudius_ said:

Finally I did a video, it is showing a simulate emergency after take off, but today I didn't have any problem with an unresponsive airplane, the problem was linked to the FBW nature of this airplane: there is a bank angle and probably a pitch up/down protection even if you drive it manually. At some point you can see that going in a turn over 30° will determine an auto fbw correction.

I had a phone call in the middle of this flight test, sorry.

I had some hard feelings against this Fenix A320 caused by my inexperience about FBW airplanes, sorry for this too. Hoping that someone will solve the icing effects problem, I want it enabled.

 

A bank agnle of over 30 degrees is something you should never do in a passenger jet. You cannot turn icing on in the Fenix, period. 

Edited December 14, 20223 yr by Bobsk8