6 hours ago, Alpine Scenery said:

I'm hoping they lower the price by next year,

With most of the world experiencing almost double digit inflation numbers the only way is up.

I'm willing to try a 7800xt or 7900xt if I can get my hands on one. I was disappointed that it appears they are going to only release the 7900xt and 7900xtx and NOT the 7800xt (yet). I guess they will release the 7800xt sometime early next year.

The AMD 6900xt downfall wasn't performance, it's the driver software, the Adrenaline software (ugh), and fan speed noise.
That said, it's not a deal breaker for everyone. If I weren't developing stuff at the time, I would have kept it.

So the drivers work fine overall, but the Adrenaline software would reset the fan curve anytime anything had a CTD (even if it was unrelated).
It was really annoying to try to Overclock the thing, so you kept having to manually re-enter the settings. 
It also runs a bit hotter, even though in those FPS tests it appears about the same, well it's hotter at the same RPM noise (which means for me, it's hotter).
If you think about it, temp doesn't really matter, what matters is the ratio of TEMP:Fan Noise

The 6900xt was every bit the equivalent of the 3080 TI in performance, and the 6950xt was basically a 3090 with less memory.
The 6900xt at $700 cannot be touched performance wise.

It will be interesting to see benchmarks of the 7800xt to see if I can beat a 3090, we know the 7900xt will beat the 3090.
 

Edited November 4, 20223 yr by Alpine Scenery

Electronics in an inflationary market usually only trend upwards in price temporarily, because there is significant downward pressure due to lower demand from the cyclical nature of PC purchasing. Look at stereo prices now compared to 2 years ago, even the Onkyos were going for well over $1000, now they are back down to reasonable prices.

The prices will trend down as they always have, the only question is, how far will they trend down.
There isn't that much competition in GPU's obviously, which is why we are getting hit with these ridiculous prices.
The markup is higher than other electronics.

 

Edited November 4, 20223 yr by Alpine Scenery

Ive been team red in the CPU market since Am4 came out in 2016 ish. Never had an AMD GPU, did have ATI gpu back in the day and always had driver issues. It would take a lot of convincing for me to pick up an AMD GPU , even if its a bit cheaper then Nvidia.  For me its not worth it to have CTDs and driver issues but at least it was cheaper.  I hope the drivers play nice w MSFS then I will consider it. 

1 hour ago, wiler said:

Ive been team red in the CPU market since Am4 came out in 2016 ish. Never had an AMD GPU, did have ATI gpu back in the day and always had driver issues. It would take a lot of convincing for me to pick up an AMD GPU , even if its a bit cheaper then Nvidia.  For me its not worth it to have CTDs and driver issues but at least it was cheaper.  I hope the drivers play nice w MSFS then I will consider it. 

I hope they fix the Adrenaline software mainly, and make the reference fan speeds lower. I doubt I would run the card at full blast anyhow, I would run it at whatever 1000 - 1500 RPM fans would allow me to run it without going over probably 80c, which means slightly underclocking.

Driver issues aren't really a thing right now with AMD, but there were a few VR annoyances, like it resetting my refresh rate of my display (my actual TV display when in VR, not the VR display). 

The worst thing about AMD is, the fan curve setting is SO EASY to fix, it's literally a 1-day fix at most. Yet they lost 10's of millions in sales because of that Adrenaline fan curve reset issue, it's a BY-DESIGN (the managers don't know what the programmers are doing - sort of thing). The forums are literally flooded with thousands of posts about the annoying fan curve software, but yet they leave it the same for years (it's so sad).

Edited November 4, 20223 yr by Alpine Scenery

4 hours ago, Alpine Scenery said:

I hope they fix the Adrenaline software mainly, and make the reference fan speeds lower. I doubt I would run the card at full blast anyhow, I would run it at whatever 1000 - 1500 RPM fans would allow me to run it without going over probably 80c, which means slightly underclocking.

Driver issues aren't really a thing right now with AMD, but there were a few VR annoyances, like it resetting my refresh rate of my display (my actual TV display when in VR, not the VR display). 

The worst thing about AMD is, the fan curve setting is SO EASY to fix, it's literally a 1-day fix at most. Yet they lost 10's of millions in sales because of that Adrenaline fan curve reset issue, it's a BY-DESIGN (the managers don't know what the programmers are doing - sort of thing). The forums are literally flooded with thousands of posts about the annoying fan curve software, but yet they leave it the same for years (it's so sad).

Do you have to use Adrenaline software with AMD cards? a personal fan curve setting is easy to do in Bios, at least on my MSI board.

24 minutes ago, Ixoye said:

Do you have to use Adrenaline software with AMD cards? a personal fan curve setting is easy to do in Bios, at least on my MSI board.

Not sure, I didn't keep the card, only had it for 30 days. I did Google for a Fan App for it, and I didn't see much.
I have that free App (Fan Control v134), but it didn't work with the Radeon card at the time.

Never checked my Bios, but I doubt it since I have an Asrock Pro450 motherboard and it's fairly vanilla.

12 hours ago, Garys said:

It doesnt really matter how fast these new AMD cards will be. The drivers are always an issue when it comes to flightsim performance. I will stick to team green.

Objection... hearsay!  I wish people would stop using this tired, worn-out argument against AMD graphics cards.  I've been using a 6900XT for going on a year and a half now and have experienced no major driver issues with any of my games or applications.  Performance in MSFS has been especially great.  Team Green may want to stop living in the past.

Edited November 4, 20223 yr by MadDog

18 minutes ago, MadDog said:

Objection... hearsay!  I wish people would stop using this tired, worn-out argument against AMD graphics cards.  I've been using a 6900XT for going on a year and a half now and have experienced no major driver issues with any of my games or applications.  Performance in MSFS has been especially great.  Team Green may want to stop living in the past.

Amen to that.   Used AMD GPU's for at least 10 of the last 20 years and never had any "driver issues" , in fact I've had plenty of issues with nvidia drivers over the years.. the only thing i can say in nvidias favour is they do release drivers a lot more often than AMD so any issues are generally corrected fairly quickly.

Going to upgrade my GPU and CPU  mid next year probably and will be going back to AMD on the GPU front without hesitation.

For MSFS alone I also wouldn’t echo the driver complaints made by others. Has been a good experience for me on my 6800XT on MSFS. 
 

I did have issues with P3D V5 though, and there are some well known issues that only affect Radeon users. Wether that’s down to the driver or the P3D team is another question though. 
 

I am far more interested in the difference between DLSS 3.0 and FSR2.0 (and 3.0 once available next year). Will be interesting to hear from the sim update 11 beta testers, now that support by Asobo is beginning. 

Edited November 4, 20223 yr by alepro21

11 hours ago, Ixoye said:

a personal fan curve setting is easy to do in Bios, at least on my MSI board.

What might be even better is to use Fan Control - an excellent freeware software. Right now my GPU temp is 57C and fans are running at 44% / 1581rpm. 

11 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

What might be even better is to use Fan Control - an excellent freeware software. Right now my GPU temp is 57C and fans are running at 44% / 1581rpm. 

I had that software when I had the 6900xt, it doesn't work with it unfortunately. With the AMD you were forced to only use one driver (22.5.1) for MSFS, and this driver also happens to be the one they removed third-party functionality for all fan control software (whether an accident or intentional, no idea).

 

Edited November 5, 20223 yr by Alpine Scenery

If you're hoping the price will drop don`t hold your breath AMD cutting production to stop over supply, 

NVIDIA produced over 100,000 RTX 4090 units thus far (guru3d.com)

Whatever the price users will pay and retailers will push the price,

Nvidia plays this trick because they are holding out releasing the 4070 and don't want to compete against previous 3080/3090 inventory or lose buyers that decide to just get a 4070 instead of a 4080/4090. It's a way to maximize the sales of the higher-end cards.

It won't work for AMD, because cutting production would be self-destructive since the 6900xt is already so low priced, they are not really competing against themselves. It's unlikely there is a lot of people that will buy a 6900xt instead of a 7900xt, but there are a lot of people that bought 3090's instead of 4090's. For AMD, the production is most likely based on the prediction that everything is slowing down, which it is. 

PC hardware sales are predicted to go into a massive slump, and prices are expected to come down across the board next year.

 

Edited November 5, 20223 yr by Alpine Scenery