6 hours ago, penta_a said:

I have a very old PC (see details in my sig.), MSFS runs smoothly with the right setting selected, planing on new build with in next 6 months, just waiting for AMD new 3dx VS Intel 13900KS benchmarks for final decision, GPU going to be 4090, I think I deserve that after all these years, don't I? 😁

I'd say you're due!  😉 I'm contemplating the same, though if I see a great Black Friday deal on a 13900/4090 system, I may pull the trigger.

1 hour ago, jfri said:

So in 4k or VR no, or? And if so how much is the difference ? Which would be the best CPU choice for flightsims in 4k or VR ?

Both AMD and Intel are good for MSFS. Looking at multiple benchmarktests AMD is slightly faster than Intel when using 2K and when using 4K Intel is slightly faster.

Intel CPU’s are more expensive than AMD CPU’s when showing the same performance.

in the past Intel CPU’s were more stable than AMD CPU’s. These days AMD is running stable too.

Myself, I use Intel CPU’s and NVidia GPU’s….

Edited November 6, 20223 yr by GSalden

6 hours ago, MySound said:

And what makes you so sure? 😉

AIOs real benefit is that you get the hot air out of your case.

If I ever had any cooling issues I might look elsewhere, but never had any kind of cooling deficits using Noctua.  My PC sits directly over a floor vent into my basement which in winter is around 58F, and in summer 62F so intake air which is brought into the case by dual large intake fans plus the PSU fan.  In peak summer here in Denver area that floor vent is connected to our whole house A/C and so very cool air gets into the case.  Noise is never a factor because most often I have studio monitor headphones on and couldn't hear fan noise if I wanted.  Plus, when I don't use them the audio of flying far exceeds any fan noise.  And finally, I couldn't give rip for what the case looks like--NEVER look at it as it's under my desk.  And bonus:  guaranteed will NEVER have a leak 😉whereas you very well may 🙃.   Everyone looks at core temps because that is what matters--because AMD runs hot has no bearing on why you should look core temps though you might need to learn what core temps are tolerable.

 

7 hours ago, GSalden said:

Both AMD and Intel are good for MSFS. Looking at multiple benchmarktests AMD is slightly faster than Intel when using 2K and when using 4K Intel is slightly faster.

I try to choose between 5800X3D 5900X 13600KF (or K). Find it difficult to choose.

1 hour ago, jfri said:

I try to choose between 5800X3D 5900X 13600KF (or K). Find it difficult to choose.

I'm getting FPS in the mid 80's with a 5900x, 3060ti and LOD 150 with DLSS balanced in DX12 1440 res. SU10 really rocks.

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5 hours ago, jfri said:

I try to choose between 5800X3D 5900X 13600KF (or K). Find it difficult to choose.

I don't think there is any reliable benchmark we can trust between these, too many variables. 
The Intel 13900k is what you want if absolute max speed is the deal, but I would take the 5800x3D or wait for the 7800x3D, as they use less wattage.

I do not believe that in an equalized proper benchmark that the 5800x3D truly beats the Intel 13900k in basically anything. I do believe because people are forced to test on different PC's (for different CPU arch), then the different cache causes issues in the testing, and that the 5800x3D might win in certain "edge case" configurations. Looking at the raw performance, the Intel is too far ahead of the 5800x3D. Even the 13600k is quite a bit ahead of the 5800x3D in raw power, but it also costs a lot more wattage. Therefore, I'd suggest any of the 3, a 5800x3D, a 13600KF, or a 13900KF.
 

Edited November 7, 20223 yr by Alpine Scenery

For those considering upgrading from the 5800x to the x3D, here is a DX 12 benchmark.

I've always maintained that the 5800x3D is about 15% to 20% faster than the 5800x in MSFS, and this benchmark shows about that much. There are going to be variances depending on how much GPU-CPU balance you are using. I do not believe the 5800x3D is 30% to 50%+ faster as some benchmarks will show.

I'm considering grabbing the 5800x3D on Black Friday if there are any deals, and I'll do my own pre-post benchmark.

Edited November 7, 20223 yr by Alpine Scenery

As always there are choices 😉

I am in doubt between the 5800X3D and the i7-13700K.  

 

Just for MSFS, the 13700k probably isn't worth it over the x3D, I'd get the 5800x3D in that case. The MB, memory, + 5800x3D is going to be quite a bit cheaper. Use the difference saved for a better NVME drive or a better GPU.

 

Edited November 7, 20223 yr by Alpine Scenery

9 hours ago, jfri said:

I try to choose between 5800X3D 5900X 13600KF (or K). Find it difficult to choose.

You can’t go wrong with one of these CPU’s.

The 5800x3d is slightly faster than the 13600k and costs a little less.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Alpine Scenery said:

Just for MSFS, the 13700k probably isn't worth it over the x3D, I'd get the 5800x3D in that case. The MB, memory, + 5800x3D is going to be quite a bit cheaper. Use the difference saved for a better NVME drive or a better GPU.

 

Yes I Know. 

However I am on the I7-10700k at this moment.

So upgrading to the I7-13700K is about 250 euro expensiver over the 5800X3D combo.  

 

I would have chosen voor DDR4 also with the Intel. I already have very fast ddr4 ram with very low latency 

So is the 5800X3D  really much faster then the i7-13700K?

Some benchmarks say yes others say no. 

I could not find a test with the i7-13700K in combination with FS2020 

Edited November 7, 20223 yr by altenae

44 minutes ago, altenae said:

So is the 5800X3D  really much faster then the i7-13700K?

Some benchmarks say yes others say no. 

I could not find a test with the i7-13700K in combination with FS2020 

It's very unlikely, there are bad benchmarks of all games out there.
Most likely, they are very close to the same performance and will depend on your settings.

 

7 hours ago, Alpine Scenery said:

For those considering upgrading from the 5800x to the x3D, here is a DX 12 benchmark.

I've always maintained that the 5800x3D is about 15% to 20% faster than the 5800x in MSFS, and this benchmark shows about that much. There are going to be variances depending on how much GPU-CPU balance you are using. I do not believe the 5800x3D is 30% to 50%+ faster as some benchmarks will show.

I'm considering grabbing the 5800x3D on Black Friday if there are any deals, and I'll do my own pre-post benchmark.

But which one is the smoothest? 

23 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

But which one is the smoothest? 

The 5800x3D I'm sure is smoother obviously, but I cannot say how much, and no test I've ever seen anyone do would be close to answering that question. From a software standpoint, the first problem is you just changed the cache mechanism, which means every setting in the game could affect the LOW FPS in a non-linear fashion against the CPU with less cache. It is no longer a simple X-Y relationship, neither is Intel vs. AMD. However, Intel vs. AMD is more linear because the baselines do not contain as large of a divergent abberation in comparison to the other benchmarked data (as one example vs. the 20 game avg, passmark, 3d mark, or cinebench). It is a well known fact in data analytics that when you have large divergences between multiple data that normally has a lower divergence, that you have a big problem finding any type of valid linear relation. It requires a lot of repetition and verified repeatability with different pieces of measuring systems.  

Obviously I'm going to bet on the CPU with more cache if the passmark is within 10-15%, but not against an Intel with a Passmark > 35% over the x3D.
If someone achieves a higher frame rate on the AMD, it is more than likely the way they are testing it.
 

Edited November 7, 20223 yr by Alpine Scenery

51 minutes ago, Alpine Scenery said:

The 5800x3D I'm sure is smoother obviously, but I cannot say how much, and no test I've ever seen anyone do would be close to answering that question. From a software standpoint, the first problem is you just changed the cache mechanism, which means every setting in the game could affect the LOW FPS in a non-linear fashion against the CPU with less cache. It is no longer a simple X-Y relationship, neither is Intel vs. AMD. However, Intel vs. AMD is more linear because the baselines do not contain as large of a divergent abberation in comparison to the other benchmarked data (as one example vs. the 20 game avg, passmark, 3d mark, or cinebench). It is a well known fact in data analytics that when you have large divergences between multiple data that normally has a lower divergence, that you have a big problem finding any type of valid linear relation. It requires a lot of repetition and verified repeatability with different pieces of measuring systems.  

Obviously I'm going to bet on the CPU with more cache if the passmark is within 10-15%, but not against an Intel with a Passmark > 35% over the x3D.
If someone achieves a higher frame rate on the AMD, it is more than likely the way they are testing it.
 

So you expect the 5800X3D to be more smooth then for example a I7-13700K because of the lower cache ?