Is the only place to buy this plane Aerosoft? 

4 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

Is the only place to buy this plane Aerosoft? 

It will come to MSFS store also I think, 2 weeks later. Also the updates will have like 2 weeks delay on MSFS store, as  I understood.

11 minutes ago, Vali said:

It will come to MSFS store also I think, 2 weeks later. Also the updates will have like 2 weeks delay on MSFS store, as  I understood.

Well if I can get a refund from Aerosoft I'll buy it from the Marketplace. I just can't get this Aerosoft Utilities to install properly. I've spent hours trying everything I can think of.

Edited January 11, 20233 yr by jarmstro

14 minutes ago, Vali said:

It will come to MSFS store also I think, 2 weeks later. Also the updates will have like 2 weeks delay on MSFS store, as  I understood.

The release on the MSFS store is gonna be in a long time, the devs said. 

2 minutes ago, Abriael said:

The release on the MSFS store is gonna be in a long time, the devs said. 

The funny thing is that everything else I've bought from the Aerosoft One app has been fine?

42 minutes ago, Abriael said:

You're not "protecting" anyone. And it's hilarious that you think this is a "precedent." Early access in very similar conditions, and similar pricing happened with the H145, and it went very well. Now it's a very accomplished product and those who supported it are quite happy. 

First, the H145 from what I remember had already many custom systems on the early access release. So not comparable at all, because this Embraer has NONE (not going to debate that again, so skip over it). Someone else who bought the H145 in early access might be able to say more about that, though, I'm not a heli guy.
Secondly, you did not understand my phrase at all. Your apparent counter-argument is that another product worked out well with early access. But I wasn't even talking about what will happen in the future with the Embraer, I was solely saying that buying this Embraer will encourage more devs to release their aircraft earlier in the development cycles, with less features, and higher prices (that are going to rise again on full release). This is absolutely bad for our community, no matter if those products end up being study level on full release, because it means for us on average: Less quality and higher prices. Add to that the on average higher risk that products will not be completed (earlier release state = higher risk of not reaching the final release state).

EDIT: I'm not per se against Early Access, it can be a good thing if it's reasonably advanced in development, like the H145 was.

Edited January 11, 20233 yr by Fiorentoni

I mentioned about A320 Neo and other aircrafts he didn't reply about them

7 minutes ago, Vali said:

It will come to MSFS store also I think, 2 weeks later. Also the updates will have like 2 weeks delay on MSFS store, as  I understood.

2 weeks delay between updates on an alpha product, when some of them can just break systems, how exciting...  

3 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said:

I mentioned about A320 Neo and other aircrafts he didn't reply about them

This might have to do with the comprehensiveness of your phrases, because I can only guess what "mention about" and "he" means, so I guess you wanted Emi to review the A320 Neo default aircraft? Why would you want him to review a default aircraft that comes for free with the basic version of the sim?

Edited January 11, 20233 yr by Fiorentoni

24 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

First, the H145 from what I remember had already many custom systems on the early access release. So not comparable at all, because this Embraer has NONE (not going to debate that again, so skip over it). Someone else who bought the H145 in early access might be able to say more about that, though, I'm not a heli guy.
Secondly, you did not understand my phrase at all. Your apparent counter-argument is that another product worked out well with early access. But I wasn't even talking about what will happen in the future with the Embraer, I was solely saying that buying this Embraer will encourage more devs to release their aircraft earlier in the development cycles, with less features, and higher prices (that are going to rise again on full release). This is absolutely bad for our community, no matter if those products end up being study level on full release, because it means for us on average: Less quality and higher prices. Add to that the on average higher risk that products will not be completed (earlier release state = higher risk of not reaching the final release state).

1: If you base your idea on a distortion of reality (that the Embraer has no custom systems, which is simply false) there's nothing I can do to help you.

2: Regardless of the H145 (which was in a very similar state, and actually even has a second early access action pack that pretty much doubles the price), if you think this project is "the problem" or "the precedent" you may be a bit out of touch with the wider industry. Early access is a massive movement in the gaming industry. There are HUNDREDS of products that use this kind of model, and as I mentioned before, this one really isn't even close to the worst end of it, quality and features-wise. It's coming, whether you or anyone else likes it or not and it has already started a while ago. It's simply the customer's responsibility to be discerning on which projects they decide to support, which ones to wait on, and which ones to ignore. Gamers have learned to do that, and I'm fairly positive simmers can learn as well.

You're fighting against windmills. 

Edited January 11, 20233 yr by Abriael

1 hour ago, Abriael said:

100% agreed. This is absolutely a witch hunt designed to appeal to emotions and smear a developer, and people don't even understand that a youtuber is using their emotions to earn himself some engagement.

Finally, some rationally to this silly fiasco.

42 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

First, the H145 from what I remember had already many custom systems on the early access release. So not comparable at all, because this Embraer has NONE (not going to debate that again, so skip over it). Someone else who bought the H145 in early access might be able to say more about that, though, I'm not a heli guy.
Secondly, you did not understand my phrase at all. Your apparent counter-argument is that another product worked out well with early access.

The H145 didn't have custom systems on initial EA, but ok. People just weren't this angry because it was a heli and it seems the flight sim community is only aware of the existenace of airliners. The PC-6 release from Milviz garnered a little bit of hate but again, it's not an airliner so not worthwhile getting angry about, right? Yet both these aircrat are out of EA, and are quite frankly, pretty good. They easily couldn't have, which is the whole.. gamble part of early access.

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But I wasn't even talking about what will happen in the future with the Embraer, I was solely saying that buying this Embraer will encourage more devs to release their aircraft earlier in the development cycles, with less features, and higher prices (that are going to rise again on full release).

Yeah, if you compulsively buy it when its at a stage, that isn't up to your requirements. Devs are going to keep doing it. Hey maybe, just don't buy it and don't gamble on an Early Access product.

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This is absolutely bad for our community, no matter if those products end up being study level on full release, because it means for us on average: Less quality and higher prices.

You know, if you don't buy the product, then the developers won't see the benefit of doing this practice. I've yet to buy the maddog because, visually and audiblly, it's a terrible port for MSFS, in my opinion, because I can rationally make decisions about my puchasing habits and not compulsively buy something no matter how much I want, because it's not right for me.

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Add to that the on average higher risk that products will not be completed (earlier release state = higher risk of not reaching the final release state).

Yeah, clearly. That's how Early Access works, don't want to take part in the gamble? Don't buy it. If the product never comes to fruition, nothing gained, nothing lost.

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EDIT: I'm not per se against Early Access, it can be a good thing if it's reasonably advanced in development, like the H145 was.

You seem to be incorrectly remembering the state of the H145 on initial EA, but ofc you wouldn't remember cause it's not an airliner right.

 

Just reading through this thread, you'd think FSS is pointing a gun at people to buy this, or engage in any of the pricing habits that FSS has set out. People are scared that more devs would do this yet not a single one has looked inward at their stupid level of compulsion to have the latest thing. It's like they're angry that they have to buy this, simply because it's there, knowing full well it won't live up to what they want from the product, then complain about why the "Devs keep doing this". Hype and manufractured emotions are the major drivers to this crazy level of impulsiveness. It's why so many people pre-ordered Cyberpunk, making this huge misconceptions about what the game will be, before rationally waiting for reviews to make an informed purchased.

FSS has released their product at a level, they feel comfortable enough with, to the public. With the promise that they will update with the end goal of having a high-fideliy addon. This may or may not happen, but that's all part of the gamble of an Early Access title. Now you as a consumer can decide, should you partake in this gamble? That decision is ENTIRELY up to you. Getting angry at the choices of the developers like you have some monetary investment in it before even spending anything is just silly. If you feel the product isn't at a level you're comfortable with then you are completetly free to not buy it. Done, there's no reason this needs to keep going on.

Edited January 11, 20233 yr by Lucky38i

8 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

Just reading through this thread, you'd think FSS is pointing a gun at people to buy this, or engage in any of the pricing habits that FSS has set out. People are scared that more devs would do this yet not a single one has looked inward at their stupid level of compulsion to have the latest thing. It's like they're angry that they have to buy this, simply because it's there

This is actually 100% the crux of the issue. I'm pretty positive that a lot of people aren't angry because this is a bad product or anything of the sort. 

They're angry because they NEED to buy stuff and they can't ignore the FOMO (fear of missing out), so the sole fact that they're tempted to buy something is bad. They'd rather that something not be allowed to exist at all. 

Edited January 11, 20233 yr by Abriael

23 minutes ago, Abriael said:

You're fighting against windmills. 

There's only one windmill I can find here and that's you. Has anyone ever checked the content this gentleman makes makes on his youtube channel?
 

"I plan to sit on the sideline and watch the progress flightsim studios makes" yeah... we see that in this topic.

Looks like you're quite unhappy on the number of views you get. 13k subscribers and not even 500 views?

Could it be that you simply envy the views others get and not you?

45 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

This might have to do with the comprehensiveness of your phrases, because I can only guess what "mention about" and "he" means, so I guess you wanted Emi to review the A320 Neo default aircraft? Why would you want him to review a default aircraft that comes for free with the basic version of the sim?

Not the point it’s the same principle release a game with planes that can’t do basic things but doesn’t say anything. You couldn’t go on Vatsim with the 320 Neo at first since it had no Vnav etc. it’s the same as the ERJ no difference.

Like people have said no other streamers/YouTubers are hating on it this much at least their reviews are more balanced and not hatred.

Edited January 11, 20233 yr by carlanthony24

54 minutes ago, Abriael said:

The release on the MSFS store is gonna be in a long time, the devs said. 

makes sense, would be amazed if MS allowed a pre-release or even pre-alpha offering in their marketplace. whereas some of the seemingly "final" airplanes in the marketplace also seem to be half baken to me 😉