4 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

and it didn‘t capture the localizer at all even though Emi followed the procedures to the point.

I don't have a Youtube channel so I don't know nothing, but I followed the FSS dev's advice on coming into the ILS from 30 degrees in heading mode, wait until the needle starts moving and only then hit the approach button. Did not have an issue catching the ILS in the two attempts I've made so far. Could be Emi needs to trade being first for being right.

 

Just now, Twenty6 said:

I don't have a Youtube channel so I don't know nothing, but I followed the FSS dev's advice on coming into the ILS from 30 degrees in heading mode, wait until the needle starts moving and only then hit the approach button. Did not have an issue catching the ILS in the two attempts I've made so far. Could be Emi needs to trade being first for being right.

 

Actual pilots trained on the E175 using it have said the ILS is working so definitely seems to something he’s doing wrong. Excuse I’m following the tutorial and now he’s saying that PMDG and Fenix said they were early access but people have picked up it’s what he said not them.

He was using NAV and then APP. If I remember, what I was doing was using V/L and not FMS and the frequency of the ILS and then APP. But on the FSS, I do not have it to try it. 

For me the systems from Feelthere P3D upgraded V3 variant with the models from X-crafts will be an OK combo 😄

Edited January 11, 20233 yr by Vali

1 hour ago, bigifooti said:

 

 

I find it fascinating that, between a viewpoint from someone who actually bought the product versus, a viewpoint based on watching streams, the latter got more likes.

Has some pointed out his 737 YouTube videos are not getting the traction he hoped these new videos about fss are

2 hours ago, Shomron said:

Thanks for the info, how would you compare it to the Feelthere offering?

Not directed at me, but ... it's way too early to make any comparisons to the Feelthere Ejets v2 or v3. Those were my favorite tubes in P3D.

It's not as bad as some people are saying but it is early access, things don't work.  Compared to the Honda Jet's $25 price tag everything else in the MSFS universe is overpriced unless it's free.

13 minutes ago, Vali said:

He was using NAV and then APP. If I remember, what I was doing was using V/L and not FMS and the frequency of the ILS and then APP. But on the FSS, I do not have it to try it. 

Yes - that sounds right.  Similar to switching from GPS to Nav in a Cessna G1000 on approach. I'll try that next time 🙂

17 minutes ago, AJZip said:

Yes - that sounds right.  Similar to switching from GPS to Nav in a Cessna G1000 on approach. I'll try that next time 🙂

You need that to be pressed so that the AP uses the radios as primary navigation and not the FMS. 

NAV is only for LNAV normally.

 

Edited January 11, 20233 yr by Vali

42 minutes ago, Twenty6 said:

I don't have a Youtube channel so I don't know nothing, but I followed the FSS dev's advice on coming into the ILS from 30 degrees in heading mode, wait until the needle starts moving and only then hit the approach button. Did not have an issue catching the ILS in the two attempts I've made so far. Could be Emi needs to trade being first for being right.

 

I watched that video, what you say is exactly what he did. He even read that stuff out from the manual while he did it. I don't see what he did wrong.

First impressions:

Visual really good, also the screens really clear.

Fps is really bad though, lots of stutters.

Will wait for updates to improve this.

Bought it. But it won't work. Aerosoft One Utilities will not install without errors. (Some devious DRM I guess). Tried every word not allowed thing including switching off real time protection and submitted a ticket. I don't have much hope though and suspect it's £40 down the drain. If I were allowed to I would swear!!

Edit. My bad. My ISP had gone down at some point during the installation. Virgin Media sucks! 2nd Edit. No, it's still borked.

Edited January 11, 20233 yr by jarmstro

2 hours ago, bigifooti said:

 

 

I find it fascinating that, between a viewpoint from someone who actually bought the product versus, a viewpoint based on watching streams, the latter got more likes.

Did you read my entire post or only that part you quoted? Maybe it's because my main issue is protecting our community from devs that set precedents that can only harm our community and hobby (earlier access, less features, higher risks, prices that are worse than P3D times...)? People might appreciate that.

Edited January 11, 20233 yr by Fiorentoni

1 hour ago, carlanthony24 said:

Actual pilots trained on the E175 using it have said the ILS is working so definitely seems to something he’s doing wrong. Excuse I’m following the tutorial and now he’s saying that PMDG and Fenix said they were early access but people have picked up it’s what he said not them.

I am the world's worst pilot and I did an ILS first flight with no issues!  Enjoying the sound set and the cockpit.

Edited January 11, 20233 yr by simon747

1 hour ago, Vali said:

He was using NAV and then APP. If I remember, what I was doing was using V/L and not FMS and the frequency of the ILS and then APP. But on the FSS, I do not have it to try it. 

For me the systems from Feelthere P3D upgraded V3 variant with the models from X-crafts will be an OK combo 😄

This should have captured the localizer, still. Not the glideslope, but the localizer. That's exactly how you fly a localizer approach in the (real) Embraer: V/L and then NAV mode.

40 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

Did you read my entire post or only that part you quoted? Maybe it's because my main issue is protecting our community from devs that set precedents that can only harm our community and hobby (earlier access, less features, higher risks, prices that are worse than P3D times...)? People might appreciate that.

You're not "protecting" anyone. And it's hilarious that you think this is a "precedent." Early access in very similar conditions, and similar pricing happened with the H145, and it went very well. Now it's a very accomplished product and those who supported it are quite happy. 

2 hours ago, Lucky38i said:

Because the sensationalist videos that Emi has posted, follow in-line with the manufractured emotions some people have about this aircraft and someone opposing that can bring those emotions crashing down. It obviously seems like a number of people want to be angry simply because they can and not actually look at this from a rational standpoint. It's like these people have a set view for how an aircraft should be and *NOTHING* can steer from that standpoint, otherwise you're a filthy casual and any aircraft that is released, they feel compelled to purchase it knowing full well it's not what they want in an aircraft and then turn around and complain about it. Emi's videos continue to add fuel to the roaring fire because he's only intersted in the view count, I mean look at this thumbnails and titles.

FsElite's review had a much more impartial and rational view to the aircraft and still, people refused to acknowledge and proceeded to comment with how they feel, without any sense of reasonability. Cause... drama sells.

100% agreed. This is absolutely a witch hunt designed to appeal to emotions and smear a developer, and people don't even understand that a youtuber is using their emotions to earn himself some engagement. 

It's not random that only this specific yotutuber is the only one has gone to such lenghts to attack this developer throwing around theories of intentional deception and "betrayal" while other content creators and outlets like FSelite simply pointed out all the flaws without going into melodramatic tirades. THESE content creators are actually doing a service to the community, not one that's doing his very best to whip people into an angry frenzy. Even Fabio, who was particularly harsh in his judgment of the aircraft (which is perfectly fine, especially since he had an updated version that gave him rather large problems), did not point fingers at the developers or accused them of any wrongdoing besides delivering a product he did not find good enough, which again is fair.

Interestingly, today I asked 737ng driver why he has completely misrepresented FSS's words about the VNAV, and he completely moved the goalposts.

To summarize, he argues that FSS's Marten tried to deceive the community because he did not say that VNAV isn't implemented because their code not being ready for it and instead used the "made up" idea that pilots don't use VNAV to as an excuse for that, and that's an extreme misrepresentation of Marten's words that almost makes me wonder if he did not watch the livestream at all before attacking Marten and FSS, and he just went by forum hearsay.

Quoting Marten at 50:59 in the livestream that started it all.

"We don't have VNAV, why we don't have VNAV? Well, it's not in the default MSFS system, that's the reason why we don't have VNAV" So no deception is present. He immediately and openly admitted what the real reason is, right from the start. 

Then he goes on to repeat in great detail what the pilots that consult with them have told him also explicitly admits that there are airlines using VNAV. Incidentally, these pilots are readily available for consultation in FSS' discord and have confirmed what he said. 

He then says twice at 52:16 and at 54:55 "that (the arguments among pilots about the real use of VNAV) is not the reason why we don't have VNAV yet, we'll definitely implement it." and "that's not an excuse, we'll definitely implement it, but that's the most difficult feature of all the systems in an aircraft in general."

He added that ONE of the reasons why they're ok with launching without VNAV is what their type-rated consultants told them. But that's not the reason why it's not implemented (that was clearly and openly stated in the quote at 50:59), but just one of the reasons why they felt ok to launch. That's a completely different pair of sleeves and not deceptive at all. Besides, what type-rated pilots told him is certainly not "made up" in any shape or form.

After having been put in front of the fact that they did not say what he argued at all 737ng driver moved the goalposts and now what they said isn't important anymore, but he switched to an extremely farfetched personal interpretation of it that has nothing to do with what was actually said. This is particularly egregious, because when you quote someone to level a serious accusation (and intentional dishonesty is a very serious accusation), you should stick to what was said, not to what you think the person meant. 

And beyond any reasonable doubt, Marten immeidiately and unequivocally said that VNAV is not implemented because "it's not in the default MSFS system" and that what their pilot said is not the reason is not implemented. Zero deception has been done. Not even a little bit. Actually, if you listen the whole thing starting from 50:59, he's very transparent and very honest about the whole issue. The whole "liars and traitors" thing is a manufactured card castle built on hot air. Whether it's just because he did not actually watch the stream 737ng driver, he just skipped around, or confirmation bias made him perceive a distortion version of Marten's words to fit his narrative, that's a very serious breach of any kind of reporting integrity. 🤔

Edited January 11, 20233 yr by Abriael

39 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

This should have captured the localizer, still. Not the glideslope, but the localizer. That's exactly how you fly a localizer approach in the (real) Embraer: V/L and then NAV mode.

My thoughts on this. He has pushed 2 times the V/L as he was in the HDG mode ("an automatic transition is done from LNAV to LOC when using the preview mode", V/L, he was in HDG mode). Later for intercept he has pushed NAV again but I think he had to just push the APP (NAV switches back to FMS lateral mode I think).

But what I have noticed and it is wrong, when he has pushed 2 times the V/L not only NAV1 to NAV2 frequencies were inter-switching as main frequency for navigation but also COM1 to COM2 which is not right as far as I know.

Lets see the live stream and/or ask real E-jets pilots.

Edited January 11, 20233 yr by Vali