With the rtx 40xx cards and frame generation it is now possible to get smooth performance nearly everywhere (as long as you're not in VR because fg is inop).

If fg is disabled then it can be tricky to always get 30 fps in 4k.

16 hours ago, ryanbatc said:

Odd.  With my 4080 it is a large difference.  Is there a new driver I missed?  Which one are you using?  Also what resolution are you running?  I'm only on 1440p - maybe it's a non issue in 4k.

I get blurring of moving numbers on speedtapes etc in glass cockpits - is this perhaps what you're talking about?

21 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

I get blurring of moving numbers on speedtapes etc in glass cockpits - is this perhaps what you're talking about?

No but I do see that as well.  It's just the clarity in general.  All the text is fuzzier than in TAA.  Maybe I'll try to do a 1:1 screenshot compare to show what I mean.

13 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

No but I do see that as well.  It's just the clarity in general.  All the text is fuzzier than in TAA.  Maybe I'll try to do a 1:1 screenshot compare to show what I mean.

 

13 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

No but I do see that as well.  It's just the clarity in general.  All the text is fuzzier than in TAA.  Maybe I'll try to do a 1:1 screenshot compare to show what I mean.

Hey Ryan,

Merry Christmas, How are you finding your 4080 pairs with your 12700K? I have someone that’s interested in my 3090 and was wondering if the upgrade would be worth it? I see you’re also on DDR5, does that make a big difference too?

Edited December 26, 20223 yr by RJC68

3 minutes ago, RJC68 said:

 

Hey Ryan,

Merry Christmas, How are you finding your 4080 pairs with your 12700K? I have someone that’s interested in my 3090 and was wondering if the upgrade would be worth it? I see you’re also on DDR5, does that make a big difference too?

Very well.  In a perfect world a 13900K and 4090 would have been better but this is still a great high end CPU and GPU combo.

The biggest difference comes in when you enable frame generation - I don't understand the ins and outs but I basically have double the fps of what the sim counter shows.  So say in Boston with lots of addons including AI and weather where I'd normally get about 35-40 fps - I have around 70 when I verify with nvidia overlay tool (fps counter).  The frame gen apparently only works with rtx 40xx series.

I don't think the DDR5 vs 4 matters a whole lot - I only built ddr5 because it was a brand new build and I wasn't going to do ddr4 - just a personal preference.

Be advised though - there is a very nice AMD CPU - the 58003xd - that beats my 12700K by 10-20% in certain benchmarks....  you might want to look into that and the upcoming 7 series X3D cpus.

21 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

No but I do see that as well.  It's just the clarity in general.  All the text is fuzzier than in TAA.  Maybe I'll try to do a 1:1 screenshot compare to show what I mean.

It's the same for me - I'm using 4K. DLSS is slightly more blurry than TAA. Hence, I'm using TAA + FG. Works like a charm. 

12 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

Very well.  In a perfect world a 13900K and 4090 would have been better but this is still a great high end CPU and GPU combo.

The biggest difference comes in when you enable frame generation - I don't understand the ins and outs but I basically have double the fps of what the sim counter shows.  So say in Boston with lots of addons including AI and weather where I'd normally get about 35-40 fps - I have around 70 when I verify with nvidia overlay tool (fps counter).  The frame gen apparently only works with rtx 40xx series.

I don't think the DDR5 vs 4 matters a whole lot - I only built ddr5 because it was a brand new build and I wasn't going to do ddr4 - just a personal preference.

Be advised though - there is a very nice AMD CPU - the 58003xd - that beats my 12700K by 10-20% in certain benchmarks....  you might want to look into that and the upcoming 7 series X3D cpus.

I’ve actually been pretty pleased with my rig, I mostly fly out of less busy airports and get great performance. I did spend the time dialling the sim in with my rig. I’d  think about upgrading to a 40XX card if the right opportunity presented itself lol.

I am interested to see how the new AMD 3D CPU’s will fair in MSFS though. If all the hype is true I might be tempted to switch to “Team Red”

20 minutes ago, RJC68 said:

I’ve actually been pretty pleased with my rig, I mostly fly out of less busy airports and get great performance. I did spend the time dialling the sim in with my rig. I’d  think about upgrading to a 40XX card if the right opportunity presented itself lol.

I am interested to see how the new AMD 3D CPU’s will fair in MSFS though. If all the hype is true I might be tempted to switch to “Team Red”

The 3090 is no slouch that's a beast of a card.  There's no way I would have upgraded coming from that one.  Though the frame gen thing is pretty nice!  The difference between my 1080 ti and the 4080 is....  well massively different.  If you include frame gen numbers I get more than quadruple the fps in heavy hitting areas.  I was getting mid-high teens at my Boston Fly Tampa killer scenario hehe.  In more rural areas I get about triple the fps.  I run at 1440 though.  The 1080ti did fine with that switch (from 1080P) but I don't think it would have handled 4k very well.  Some people were doing it though.

2 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

The 3090 is no slouch that's a beast of a card.  There's no way I would have upgraded coming from that one.  Though the frame gen thing is pretty nice!  The difference between my 1080 ti and the 4080 is....  well massively different.  If you include frame gen numbers I get more than quadruple the fps in heavy hitting areas.  I was getting mid-high teens at my Boston Fly Tampa killer scenario hehe.  In more rural areas I get about triple the fps.  I run at 1440 though.  The 1080ti did fine with that switch (from 1080P) but I don't think it would have handled 4k very well.  Some people were doing it though.

I had a 1080TI before and was running locked at 30fps in 4K and was actually surprised how it did, of course settings were optimized for that card but none the less it still held it’s own.

Enjoy your new rig Ryan 😀

9 minutes ago, RJC68 said:

I had a 1080TI before and was running locked at 30fps in 4K and was actually surprised how it did, of course settings were optimized for that card but none the less it still held it’s own.

Enjoy your new rig Ryan 😀

See that's my issue - I NEED eye candy haha!  I ran too high even on 1440p.

2 hours ago, ryanbatc said:

Very well.  In a perfect world a 13900K and 4090 would have been better but this is still a great high end CPU and GPU combo.

I made a similar move to Ryan (from an i7-6700 + 1080Ti combo to an i7-13700 +  Asus 4080) and I am really, really happy with it. VR performance using my Reverb1 went up from ~20 to >45 using the same settings as before. Flying over Singapore (ORBX Landmarks, WSSS Cloudsurfasia) which was notoriously difficult under VR, is a dream now. And this is using FSLTL (uncompressed textures).

It's early times, I just completed installing the new machine, but I can confirm once more trying to sqeeze out 1-2 fps using tweaks doesn't cut it. After 6 years it was time for a restart.

Kind regards, Michael

Hi -

I recently joined the 4090 club and found this thread which has been really useful for getting setting lined up. However, I've found whenever I use frame generation I get a bit if tearing that I can't seem to get rid of - I;m wondering if those of you that are using it successfully have GSynch monitors? Mine is not GSynch, so I've always needed to use in-game VSynch to get rid of the tearing, but I've found with frame generation on, even that doesn't completely work. I've tried different combinations of frame limiting (in game or via NCP) but as soon as I move my head or touch the controls I get tearing. So I'm thinking maybe I need to wait until it's a little more mature (a GSunch monitor isn't in my immediate future)?

I also noticed when I have frame generation on that my graphics card seems to start working harder, even before I get to a flight. I've noticed it's starts throwing out heat and the fans get going just at the main menus, so I'm not sure if that's normal?

For now I've been running it without frame generation in DX11. Unfortunately I've had CTDs on the only two real flights I've been able to try with it (first after a 2 hour flight nearing the turn to final for LFBO and the second after reaching cruise over New Zealand), so I'm trying to track them down. I only got CTDs every once in a while with my old card, so not sure if it's related to the new one or just a fluke. 

2 hours ago, Drebin8 said:

Hi -

I recently joined the 4090 club and found this thread which has been really useful for getting setting lined up. However, I've found whenever I use frame generation I get a bit if tearing that I can't seem to get rid of - I;m wondering if those of you that are using it successfully have GSynch monitors? Mine is not GSynch, so I've always needed to use in-game VSynch to get rid of the tearing, but I've found with frame generation on, even that doesn't completely work.

My monitor isn't fully native gsync but it is gsync compatible.  What I see, if the fps drops below the 144hz (fps) too much is a flickering screen. This mostly happens when I crank my settings too high in large cities with heavy addons hehe, AND while using TAA.  If I use DLSS I almost never have the flickering.

I've read if you don't have gsync compatible at all there's no way to get rid of the vsync tearing.  You basically need to invest about 350 USD in at least a compatible monitor.  Mine's a LG 27" 1440p (basically this:  https://www.amazon.com/LG-27GL850-B-Ultragear-Compatible-Monitor/dp/B07TD94TQF ) - I'd recommend a 32" 1440p if you can - the Windows desktop get's really small to my aging eyes at 27".

4 hours ago, Drebin8 said:

Hi -

I recently joined the 4090 club and found this thread which has been really useful for getting setting lined up. However, I've found whenever I use frame generation I get a bit if tearing that I can't seem to get rid of - I;m wondering if those of you that are using it successfully have GSynch monitors? Mine is not GSynch, so I've always needed to use in-game VSynch to get rid of the tearing, but I've found with frame generation on, even that doesn't completely work. I've tried different combinations of frame limiting (in game or via NCP) but as soon as I move my head or touch the controls I get tearing. So I'm thinking maybe I need to wait until it's a little more mature (a GSunch monitor isn't in my immediate future)?

I also noticed when I have frame generation on that my graphics card seems to start working harder, even before I get to a flight. I've noticed it's starts throwing out heat and the fans get going just at the main menus, so I'm not sure if that's normal?

For now I've been running it without frame generation in DX11. Unfortunately I've had CTDs on the only two real flights I've been able to try with it (first after a 2 hour flight nearing the turn to final for LFBO and the second after reaching cruise over New Zealand), so I'm trying to track them down. I only got CTDs every once in a while with my old card, so not sure if it's related to the new one or just a fluke. 

Yes, with a G-sync Monitor ( especially native) you will have zero tearing and enjoy frame generation on 100%. Regarding the Heat, i never had any issue with 4090 with an average temp of 45-50c on heavy use.

20 minutes ago, Seth2021 said:

Yes, with a G-sync Monitor ( especially native) you will have zero tearing and enjoy frame generation on 100%. Regarding the Heat, i never had any issue with 4090 with an average temp of 45-50c on heavy use.

Do you have a full gsysnc monitor?  I'm curious what's available?  I'm also not even sure what to search for.