57 minutes ago, Noel said:

Who in the community?  It sounds amazing and I know you're a great source of reliable information but the general commentary, on average, suggests performance is anywhere from slightly to significantly worse for the Fenix v FBW and as an absolute stickler for performance this matters hugely to me.  

 

Don’t say I didn’t try. I fly both planes. So I’m able to speak on both. The fenix is quite a bit better even if the fbw is still a nice plane. It’s also not that expensive. Im only encouraging you to try it because I would want somebody to do the same for me. Either way I don’t have an equity stake. So your decision is your decision. 

1 hour ago, Noel said:

Who in the community?  It sounds amazing and I know you're a great source of reliable information but the general commentary, on average, suggests performance is anywhere from slightly to significantly worse for the Fenix v FBW and as an absolute stickler for performance this matters hugely to me.   Here's an example:

The PMDG is far and away the smoothest, least FPS hungry airliner for the sim at the moment. Fenix is absolutely terrible for frames, FBW also not fantastic but a lot better than Fenix, and the A310 is pretty decent. Still, nothing beats the 737 FPS for me 

But above and beyond that the FBW is really fabulous, and it's free, and keeps improving.  Once the stuttering issue is solved and it appears close I just don't think it will be worth going to Fenix after all VNAV is working great, it hand flies wonderfully, sounds are decent, terrain radar is working quite frankly the actual differences between the two seem almost subtle at best.  I understand the Fenix is closer to 'study level' but that is much less important than capable and performance-friendly.  When was the last time you tried the FBW Experimental version?

 

Most of the people can run it no problems even on a 1080 people have reported they get 30+fps which is more than enough. I have no problems getting around 50fps but the heavy scenery airports like Heathrow I get around 30 still more than enough on a 2070 Super. The display rewrite etc should increase the performance. If you are suffering with performance then it sounds like you need to do some trouble shooting yourself. 

You have to remember FBW and Fenix are two different airplanes and systems in hindsight also FBW use default Asobo cockpit if they created one It could be worse on performance who knows.

Imagine the 737 not being a ported over product and built up from scratch you might struggle then if they ever went down that route. It's like P3D, FSLabs was the fps hitter out of the majority of aircrafts and still is. Who knows when they eventually decide to bring products to MSFS they could still be the big FPS hitter but people won't necessarily complain. 

You also say Fenix is absolutely terrible for frames but you don't even have the product. Its all here say..... 

Edited February 8, 20233 yr by carlanthony24

3 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said:

Most of the people can run it no problems even on a 1080 people have reported they get 30+fps which is more than enough. I have no problems getting around 50fps but the heavy scenery airports like Heathrow I get around 30 still more than enough on a 2070 Super. The display rewrite etc should increase the performance. If you are suffering with performance then it sounds like you need to do some trouble shooting yourself. 

I achieved performance Nirvana a couple of months ago after a lot of trial and testing so no not suffering with performance--just will not jeopardize that for anything.  And when you say most people can run it no problems--what does that mean?  Everyone will have their own criteria and I have my own.  I have liquid smooth, near-zero frame time variance, nary a stutter anywhere in any airport in any plane that I use:  PMDG 738, FBW A320NX, AS CRJ700.  My system is not GPU-limited ever in fact it's a long ways from that always w/ how I'm configured.

Tell me, IYO what are the main reasons for you for Fenix over FBW?  What is so much better, what is $60 better? This is really the crux of it from what I see not having flown the Fenix but having watched various videos.

8 minutes ago, Noel said:

I achieved performance Nirvana a couple of months ago after a lot of trial and testing so no not suffering with performance--just will not jeopardize that for anything.  And when you say most people can run it no problems--what does that mean?  Everyone will have their own criteria and I have my own.  I have liquid smooth, near-zero frame time variance, nary a stutter anywhere in any airport in any plane that I use:  PMDG 738, FBW A320NX, AS CRJ700.  My system is not GPU-limited ever in fact it's a long ways from that always w/ how I'm configured.

Tell me, IYO what are the main reasons for you for Fenix over FBW?  What is so much better, what is $60 better? This is really the crux of it from what I see not having flown the Fenix but having watched various videos.

Most people can run it no problems. Like I said people run it on a 1080 or less. Someone can even run it on a below spec PC and be fine with it. It's not a big fps hitter really. You may not even jeopardise anything till you try it. FBW still has a long way to go, words coming from real life pilots. Personally I flew FBW before Fenix was released and it just did not give a wow factor. I brought the Fenix because well we don't have a CFM and eventually IAE variant/Sharklets besides LatinVFR and well I won't go down that route watching video's and streamers of it. Not even worth it in my opinion. £60 is a no brainer for two varients and sharklets. Its way better than the likes of PMDG pricing structure etc...   

The price looks decent but the wow factor absolutely exists in the latest FBW for me, and that's all I care about.  Go retry the Exp version and see what you think now.  VNAV and terrain radar now work, everything else does as well.   If they weren't so similar, and ultimately they are in terms of depth--that matters to me I could care less if breakers kill circuits, or what have you. If there was no cure for its significant pausing/stuttering issues on the horizon I would pay the freight for the Fenix, but there is and I trialed it just the other day.  Too good to pass up but thanks for sharing your opinion.

49 minutes ago, Noel said:

Tell me, IYO what are the main reasons for you for Fenix over FBW?  What is so much better, what is $60 better? This is really the crux of it from what I see not having flown the Fenix but having watched various videos.

Well if system matter to you, the systems in the Fenix are still beyond what FBW have done, although the gap is slowly closing with time

FBW A32NX might be a good simulation of the A320Neo but it looks nothing like an A320, 3D modeling is not only bad but inaccurate, texturing is also bad, inside and outside. Honestly I watched the FBW 380 video and my first thought was “that looks soooo good, I wish the A320 had the same treatment”.
In the other hand Fenix A320 is the best looking aircraft in the sim, period (maybe matched by the Carenado PA-28 Archer). It’s not only accurate modeling and texturing, it’s the PBR treatment, the animation of the flaps vibrating on touchdown, the wingflex when going through turbulence. Well I’m in love with that aircraft and cannot wait to see what the V2 has to improve.

So, if you dont care bout visual, systems are better, if you care about visuals (and you better care about them in this gorgeous sim we have) well visual are better

ps: I want to fly the FBW but the visual keep me from doing that, I need a complete package to get the immersion, I’m hoping the team will be able to rebuild everything from scratch up to their A380 standards. Love on them

Edited February 8, 20233 yr by cyril972

Forgot to add at least it's a free upgrade to V2 which they could of charged for and I would be happy to do so compared to other developers.

Yup, a free upgrade wich they say will include not only the sharklet and IAE, the ability to put SATCOM antenna and a lot of visual improvement

22 minutes ago, cyril972 said:

Well if system matter to you, the systems in the Fenix are still beyond what FBW have done, although the gap is slowly closing with time

FBW A32NX might be a good simulation of the A320Neo but it looks nothing like an A320, 3D modeling is not only bad but inaccurate, texturing is also bad, inside and outside. Honestly I watched the FBW 380 video and my first thought was “that looks soooo good, I wish the A320 had the same treatment”.
In the other end Fenix A320 is the best looking aircraft in the sim, period (maybe matched by the Carenado PA-28 Archer). It’s not only accurate modeling and texturing, it’s the PBR treatment, the animation of the flaps vibrating on touchdown, the wingflex when going through turbulence. Well I’m in love with that aircraft and cannot wait to see what the V2 has to improve.

So, if you dont care bout visual, systems are better, if you care about visuals (and you better care about them in this gorgeous sim we have) well visual are better

ps: I want to fly the FBW but the visual keep me from doing that, I need a complete package to get the immersion, I’m hoping the team will be able to rebuild everything from scratch up to their A380 standards. Love on them

TBH, some of this will be lost on me.  For the same reason I only bought maybe 6 airports now since launch because quite frankly I fly all over the world and have no idea what an airport actually should look like to match reality better.  By the same token, I couldn't tell you how inaccurate the texturing in the A320NX is as I don't know what the real one looks like.  Compared to the PMDG 738 I use the FBW is so much better looking, to me, in most all ways.  

As for systems emulation it's the same thing really.  I do know everything required to get the plane setup from gate to gate goes very well, integrates well w/ GSX Pro, is pleasant to hand fly and is immersive.  I'm sure the Fenix deserves its accolades this I became convinced of after watching a few videos a while back.  But again, I've been largely blown away by how fun the FBW is to setup and fly with its EFB, loading routines, cockpit and cabin crew comments and so forth.   It's pretty compelling in its own right, and of course I can only speak from my own experience in this regard.  Sounds like I'd best not try the Fenix else I'd have to retire this fabulous work of colloaboration.  It's a bit early but if they are unable to solve the stuttering issue, which I think they have coming soon, they I will def relook at Fenix.  The price looks great for what it is, though the FBW def wins the prize for value since it's free.  I enjoy it much more than the PMDG 738 already, save this suttering issue during taxi primarily.  It's mild but there for certain, but did go away w/ an alpha version.

Noel. I remember not so long ago you said you didn’t even want to learn the airbus. Now look at the fun you’ll are having?  You asked what’s better about the fenix?  The efb is fantastic. Specifically the maps and performance. Etc. best efb I’ve ever seen in flight sim. The virtual cockpit is sharper and just looks better. The systems in my opinion seem better which is to be expected since based off pro sim. 

18 hours ago, Noel said:

I achieved performance Nirvana a couple of months ago after a lot of trial and testing so no not suffering with performance--just will not jeopardize that for anything.  And when you say most people can run it no problems--what does that mean?  Everyone will have their own criteria and I have my own.  I have liquid smooth, near-zero frame time variance, nary a stutter anywhere in any airport in any plane that I use:  PMDG 738, FBW A320NX, AS CRJ700.  My system is not GPU-limited ever in fact it's a long ways from that always w/ how I'm configured.

Tell me, IYO what are the main reasons for you for Fenix over FBW?  What is so much better, what is $60 better? This is really the crux of it from what I see not having flown the Fenix but having watched various videos.

Explaining to you why the Fenix is better, is like explaining to someone why a Mercedes is better than a Fiat.  Until you actually drive the Mercedes, you will never understand. 

13 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Explaining to you why the Fenix is better, is like explaining to someone why a Mercedes is better than a Fiat.  Until you actually drive the Mercedes, you will never understand. 

I like that as an analogy. Both get you from A to B and have the same fundamental components.
Yet, once you get inside and turn on the ignition (so to speak), you start seeing significant differences.

It's not perfect and it's not complete, though it is by far the most enjoyable airliner add-on I have used.

 

18 hours ago, cyril972 said:

I watched the FBW 380 video and my first thought was “that looks soooo good, I wish the A320 had the same treatment”.

There's rightly a lot of respect and admiration for what FBW achieved with and continue to expand upon in their A32N.
Their A380 looks so much better though. I'm very much looking forward to it being my longhaul aeroplane of choice.

Question for 737-600 users, does it come with a Delta Airlines Livery?

8 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Question for 737-600 users, does it come with a Delta Airlines Livery?

4 different DAL liveries available on flightsim.to
Just click the link above and type 'Delta' into the search box located just above the thumbnails of the various 736 liveries hosted there.

6 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

Explaining to you why the Fenix is better, is like explaining to someone why a Mercedes is better than a Fiat.  Until you actually drive the Mercedes, you will never understand. 

Reminds me of the comparisons between the Aerosoft Airbus and the FSLabs in P3D. Those who believed the saying "you don't need the FSL if you don't care for system depth" never got to experience the immersion factor of the FSL which was so much more than just system depth. They just never knew what they missed.

It's the same with the Fenix.