On 2/8/2023 at 11:40 AM, micstatic said:

Noel. I remember not so long ago you said you didn’t even want to learn the airbus. Now look at the fun you’ll are having?  You asked what’s better about the fenix?  The efb is fantastic. Specifically the maps and performance. Etc. best efb I’ve ever seen in flight sim. The virtual cockpit is sharper and just looks better. The systems in my opinion seem better which is to be expected since based off pro sim. 

I believe you but I don't need anything better than FBW at the moment.  I'm not in a state of lacking, want, seeking, need, etc.  I've done a lot of reading regarding performance and there is a genuine consensus on the whole that it's significantly harder than PMDG 738 and FBW as well.  Right now, for how I want the sim to look and feel, I'm at the point of not being able to accommodate anything heavier and as I say I don't want to jeopardize that.  The FBW is fun and effective for me.  If they are not able to solve the pausing/hanging issue esp during taxi I will reconsider Fenix but for now I'm not interested the FBW is too good.  I've read several testimonials of those who have both and many preferred the FBW for various differences.  Not saying that is the norm but they clearly exist.

8 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

Explaining to you why the Fenix is better, is like explaining to someone why a Mercedes is better than a Fiat.  Until you actually drive the Mercedes, you will never understand. 

Sounds like something you'd read in the XPlane forum ("Until you've flown XP you'll never understand....").  That's a bad analogy because the relative difference between Fenix and FBW is nowhere near that of Mercedes and Fiat. 

10 minutes ago, Noel said:

Sounds like something you'd read in the XPlane forum ("Until you've flown XP you'll never understand....").  That's a bad analogy because the relative difference between Fenix and FBW is nowhere near that of Mercedes and Fiat. 

How do you know, you haven't even  flown the Fenix. 

10 minutes ago, Noel said:

 That's a bad analogy because the relative difference between Fenix and FBW is nowhere near that of Mercedes and Fiat. 

 But you wouldn’t know that because….. you don’t actually have the Fenix?

I think we’ve established that you really like the FBW 320 and fair enough but that doesn’t seem to have much to do with the OP?

 

2 hours ago, RALF9636 said:

Reminds me of the comparisons between the Aerosoft Airbus and the FSLabs in P3D. Those who believed the saying "you don't need the FSL if you don't care for system depth" never got to experience the immersion factor of the FSL which was so much more than just system depth. They just never knew what they missed.

It's the same with the Fenix. 

 

Well said. For a long time, I firmly believed there would be no point in buying the FSLabs, as the Aerosoft was already pretty decent. After trying the FSLabs for the first time, there was just no turning back.

On 2/8/2023 at 5:54 PM, cyril972 said:

Well if system matter to you, the systems in the Fenix are still beyond what FBW have done, although the gap is slowly closing with time

FBW A32NX might be a good simulation of the A320Neo but it looks nothing like an A320, 3D modeling is not only bad but inaccurate, texturing is also bad, inside and outside. Honestly I watched the FBW 380 video and my first thought was “that looks soooo good, I wish the A320 had the same treatment”.
In the other hand Fenix A320 is the best looking aircraft in the sim, period (maybe matched by the Carenado PA-28 Archer). It’s not only accurate modeling and texturing, it’s the PBR treatment, the animation of the flaps vibrating on touchdown, the wingflex when going through turbulence. Well I’m in love with that aircraft and cannot wait to see what the V2 has to improve.

So, if you dont care bout visual, systems are better, if you care about visuals (and you better care about them in this gorgeous sim we have) well visual are better

ps: I want to fly the FBW but the visual keep me from doing that, I need a complete package to get the immersion, I’m hoping the team will be able to rebuild everything from scratch up to their A380 standards. Love on them

Exactly this. No matter how nice the rest of the package is, for the moment I can't feel any immersion in that cockpit, looks like something ported from FS9.

Yes enough about FBW if people are content with using it so be it no need to harp on it. This is not what this tread is about.

18 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

How do you know, you haven't even  flown the Fenix. 

Well, it's a guess Bob based on years of experience w/ PMDG-ware, and how good the FBW is.  I have driven MB's and Fiat's and there is no way your analogy works and am certain of that 1000% percent.  I've read a good 20 testimonials from people who own and use both and again, your analogy is hyperbolic rhetoric. 

6 minutes ago, Noel said:

Well, it's a guess Bob based on years of experience w/ PMDG-ware, and how good the FBW is.  I have driven MB's and Fiat's and there is no way your analogy works and am certain of that 1000% percent.  I've read a good 20 testimonials from people who own and use both and again, your analogy is hyperbolic rhetoric. 

And you are talking through your hat, comparing the FBW, with the Fenix, when you don't fly the Fenix.  This thread was comparing the PMDG and the Fenix. I got an idea, why don't you start a poll yourself, comparing your favorites, and let's see how that goes.   😉

26 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

And you are talking through your hat, comparing the FBW, with the Fenix, when you don't fly the Fenix.  This thread was comparing the PMDG and the Fenix. I got an idea, why don't you start a poll yourself, comparing your favorites, and let's see how that goes.   😉

Good idea change the subject which was your hyperbolic analogy.  Right now if I had to throw FBW or PMDG out the window it would be a tough choice as the FBW is absolutely more enjoyable to spend time in.

48 minutes ago, jbdbow1970 said:

 

Sorry wrong thread..

cheers 😉

Edited February 9, 20233 yr by pmplayer

11 minutes ago, pmplayer said:

But that isn't the matter with FBW and Fenix, i fly both and they almost identical.

OK Fenix seems a bit more study Level or what ever, but that is all about it.

And maybe some things from that "more study level" will never be seen or used from the user..

cheers 😉

I'll bet very few hop out of a MB and into a Fiat and then say "I've driven both now and they're almost identical" 😂

Seriously Bob, your poll was about a plane you don't own and one you do own and you wanted to know from others who own both, which one they fly the most.  I hate to throw a monkey wrench but I currently find myself driving the Fiat more than the....BMW?

Have FBW managed to include proper FINAL APP in their RNAV/RNP  approaches yet so a user doesn't have to be setting track/flightpath angles after the Final Approach Fix to get on the runway during the said final approach phase ? OR are people just setting managed mode to the mdh/runway altitude to fudge the system on non precision approaches?

I haven't used it in months so i'm just asking. 

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/617476-a32nx-rnav-rnp-approaches/

If they still haven't gotten around to fixing this this then yeah .. For me this and the stuttering are reasons why this aircraft has been parked for months.

Edited February 9, 20233 yr by Maxis

Interesting poll, it looks like the PMDG 737 is getting more love than the Fenix Airbus.

Luckily I have both and don´t have to choose and miss out on the other one because both are absolute AWESOME and impressive and highly recommended. But I have the feeling about the Fenix MCDU being way more sophisticated, realistic and with higher system depth than the Boeing FMC.... but because of not having access to both aircraft in real-life I will never be able to verify this pure gut feeling.

 

16 minutes ago, JetCat said:

Interesting poll, it looks like the PMDG 737 is getting more love than the Fenix Airbus.

Wow, fascinating.  I wonder if it isn't the performance factor.  Majestic Dash 8 got giant accolades and my sense was that its complexity to performance ratio was so favorable and that was a good part of its favorability ratings.  PMDG 738's most recent update seems to have improved performance substantially.

30 minutes ago, JetCat said:

Interesting poll, it looks like the PMDG 737 is getting more love than the Fenix Airbus.

Luckily I have both and don´t have to choose and miss out on the other one because both are absolute AWESOME and impressive and highly recommended. But I have the feeling about the Fenix MCDU being way more sophisticated, realistic and with higher system depth than the Boeing FMC.... but because of not having access to both aircraft in real-life I will never be able to verify this pure gut feeling.

 

The last few days I have watched a good number of Tutorial Videos on the PMDG 737, to refresh my memory, as I had previously  owned 4 of them in P3D ( 600-900) . I decided that flying the Fenix seems to be more logical, than the 737. I guess I am spoiled now, with the ease of flying the A 320, and will probably just stay with it. I just feel that the Airbus is more advanced  than the 737. Boeing in their more recent models have even gone to fly by wire, which kind of points to the direction that Boeing sees in their future. Even the 737 Max still doesn't have an ECAM system, which Airbus has had for years. 

Maybe I am just getting lazy.😉

Edited February 10, 20233 yr by Bobsk8