22 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I probably got around 4000+ hours in the PMDG 737 in P3D. I got bored with it after awhile, and stopped flying it back then.. 

Hey Bob....just speculating, but consider this:

I see you're sig has you as an active pilot in an AA VA.  If the VA is pretty strict on replicating actual routes with the proper equipment, you're probably missing out on a lot of cool routes that Airbus's are not assigned to, right?  Grab the 737-800 and open up your route possibilities and give yourself some more variety. 🙂

10 minutes ago, Steve Dra said:

Hey Bob....just speculating, but consider this:

I see you're sig has you as an active pilot in an AA VA.  If the VA is pretty strict on replicating actual routes with the proper equipment, you're probably missing out on a lot of cool routes that Airbus's are not assigned to, right?  Grab the 737-800 and open up your route possibilities and give yourself some more variety. 🙂

My VA, and it is the main reason I picked it, lets you fly anything you want, anywhere in the world. Right now I am flying the Kodiak from EGPB to EGPC on a VA Tour of Scotland. https://flyvirtual.net/index.php/

Edited February 3, 20233 yr by Bobsk8

22 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

My VA, and it is the main reason I picked it, lets you fly anything you want, anywhere in the world. Right now I am flying the Kodiak from EGPB to EGPC on a VA Tour of Scotland. https://flyvirtual.net/index.php/

Got it!  Was just a little confused on the content of your sig....The big AA logo threw me off. 🙂   Still hope if you're looking for another great airliner, you'll consider the 737....heck without the restriction of flying the -800....get the -600 for $35.   You can't beat it at that price!

I expect The PMDG  EFB to be a level above and set the standard for all other EFB,s because its taking so looooooong

19 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

What I find strange is that the Fenix EFB program was written by a pilot, who programmed it in her spare time. You would think  that PMDG would have been able to come up with something after almost 3 years. 

What I find strange is that people say "this should be so easy to achieve" when they don't have the slightest clue about the issue at hand. 

The answer is quite simple: WASM vs. JavaScript aircraft. The PMDG 737 uses a WASM module written in C++ for the systems simulation. The tablet has to be in JavaScript because otherwise there's no way it can communicate with the internet (it's a general WASM policy on Xbox due to security concerns). And the communication between WASM and JavaScript is extremely restricted (which can be overcome by an experienced programmer within a few days), but also buggy, i.e. the channel they use for communication breaks down randomly. Maybe there's a simple solution for this, but if this is not documented properly, they're in the dark.

The Fenix A320 is all JavaScript plus an external module, they don't have the same problems. 

What could PMDG do? 

- convert their systems simulation code to JavaScript: Bad idea for a codebase of >1 million lines of code, also slower than C++ for numerical simulations

- write the tablet code in wasm too: no communication with SimBrief possible (btw that's what the CRJ from Aerosoft does)

- wait for Asobo to improve the communication between WASM and JavaScript

I do take the things RSR says with a grain of salt, but to me with a programming background this makes sense. Coding the tablet isn't the point, but you have to fill it with data somehow. 

 

 

1 hour ago, pstrub said:

The Fenix A320 is all JavaScript plus an external module, they don't have the same problems. 

Is it? The FBW is mostly WASM. Still they have a very good EFB.

It will be disappointing if the PMDG  EFB is just average considering its taking so long

1 hour ago, crimplene said:

Is it? The FBW is mostly WASM. Still they have a very good EFB.

Yes. That's why the Fenix A320 doesn't have a compile time when loading after an update. They're even joking about it mentioning their short loading times in one of the load screen captions.

Anyway, now that you mention the FBW: That's giving me hope that PMDG will figure it out at some point, hopefully soon. Or someone should give them a hint to ask the FBW team... For now I still enjoy the 737 a lot, even without an EFB.

I certainly think there are teams that adjusted a lot faster than PMDG to the new environment. Still the comparison of the 737 EFB and other 3rd party aircraft is apples to oranges. Hint: even the PMDG DC-6 has an EFB...

 

1 hour ago, jason74 said:

It will be disappointing if the PMDG  EFB is just average considering its taking so long

The problem I have with the EFB, is that even with more than a 6 months delay, we have no screenshot of it and we don't fully know what it will contain.

On 2/4/2023 at 6:44 AM, pstrub said:

Anyway, now that you mention the FBW: That's giving me hope that PMDG will figure it out at some point, hopefully soon

One of the first discrepancies I noticed when I bought the B738 was the fact you can't use the keyboard to input data into the FMC and PMDG said it had to do with limitations in MSFS.  Somehow FBW implemented this!

The two products aren't competitors; they simulate entirely different types of aircraft.

It's pretty simple: if you want to simulate an Airbus you use the Fenix, and if you want to simulate a 737 you use the PMDG.  There's not really any crossover beyond the fact that both they're good at what they do.

On 2/3/2023 at 4:47 PM, Bobsk8 said:

What I find strange is that the Fenix EFB program was written by a pilot, who programmed it in her spare time. You would think  that PMDG would have been able to come up with something after almost 3 years. 

That's tipical PMDG, always was..

But it is a very good aircraft, some may call it a study level airliner ( what ever that means ) and you good to go with this 737 package.

cheers 😉

 

On 2/3/2023 at 8:13 PM, Bobsk8 said:

I probably got around 4000+ hours in the PMDG 737 in P3D. I got bored with it after awhile, and stopped flying it back then.. 

I cant blame you for getting bored after 4000+ hours flying the same airliner in a simulator. I would assume you will say the same thing after 4000+ hours in the Fenix. Its natural getting bored doing same thing for so long. And lets be honest, flying routes for 2 to 5 hours, in an airliner, 98% on autopilot isn't the most exciting thing in the world either 🙂  

I also think that if you used it for 4000+ hours, means you really liked it. 

To me, flying the 737 in P3D and MSFS its completely different things. P3D was flying on rails, MSFS is the opposite and i was quite surprised how much differently I needed to do things to land this thing.   

I believe that while the Fenix A320 is a great addon, the PMDG 737 has captured the "feel of flight" and the potential of the ASOBO / MFS flight dynamics more successfully. 

While I am a fan of the Airbus style, I do prefer manually "flying" the 737 in my virtual cockpit, specially under adverse weather scenarios where it feels very close to what I believe being reality.

Still, I vote for playing both ex-aequo, having the time for it....

7 minutes ago, roi1862 said:

I cant blame you for getting bored after 4000+ hours flying the same airliner in a simulator. I would assume you will say the same thing after 4000+ hours in the Fenix. Its natural getting bored doing same thing for so long. And lets be honest, flying routes for 2 to 5 hours, in an airliner, 98% on autopilot isn't the most exciting thing in the world either 🙂  

I also think that if you used it for 4000+ hours, means you really liked it. 

To me, flying the 737 in P3D and MSFS its completely different things. P3D was flying on rails, MSFS is the opposite and i was quite surprised how much differently I needed to do things to land this thing.   

The biggest Sim killer is flying the same plane over and over again and then for thousands of hours.. no wonder it's not fun anymore !

My method to prevent something like this is: Flying different airplanes from time to time  (keeps the tension high).

Take a break from your flight simulator for several days and go out into nature. This usually helps me to keep my Flightsim voltage up.

cheers 😉