35 minutes ago, Farlis said:

Congrats. You failed.

That may be. But at least I haven't failed enough to need a computer game in order for me to do my job safely!😂 The guy is saying that because the Fenix does not allow him to save he doesn't know how to cope properly with certain situations!!?? Ummm.

Edited February 18, 20233 yr by jarmstro

51 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

The guy is saying that because the Fenix does not allow him to save he doesn't know how to cope properly with certain situations!!?? Ummm.

You are digging the hole ever deeper...

That is not at all what he is saying. 

Edited February 18, 20233 yr by Farlis

52 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

That may be. But at least I haven't failed enough to need a computer game in order for me to do my job safely!😂 The guy is saying that because the Fenix does not allow him to save he doesn't know how to cope properly with certain situations!!?? Ummm.

It’s only game if you treat MSFS as such. Before ridiculing people you have to try to wear professional pilot pants 😉

14 minutes ago, Farlis said:

You are digging the hole ever deeper...

That is not at all what he is saying. 

What is he saying then? Unless I'm mistaken he's saying that because the Fenix does not allow him to save he can't learn procedures I would expect him to be proficient in? And if he's already competent why is he so worried that the Fenix won't allow him to save?

Edited February 18, 20233 yr by jarmstro

Please, just give it a rest. You are just embararssing yourself.

3 hours ago, jarmstro said:

Well, because I was under the impression, that MSFS was not necessary,  in order for a pilot to get me to Barcelona safely? I'm sorry but I don't understand why they need to practice on MSFS in order for them to fly safely?? Is flying safe or not? I'm not trying to be obtuse here but it's a bit worrying!

You're using a lot of closed-loop thinking here!

Firstly, MSFS is not "necessary" to be an effective, current pilot.

You are reading into a pilot wanting to use MSFS for a procedural practice opportunity as people here claiming that "MSFS is required to be an airline pilot".   Well of course it's not, and of course they're not.

A pack of dominoes or a boiled egg would work as effectively if they provided an opportunity to practice rare procedural flows!

That's where your thinking is going off track here...... you're reading it as "Pilots need MSFS to stay current", whereas what it really is, is:-    MSFS has some addons that provide for realistic procedural flow practice for rare procedures.

See what I'm getting at?    Or are you just going to say "it's a bit worrying" again. 😄

20 minutes ago, JYW said:

You're using a lot of closed-loop thinking here!

Firstly, MSFS is not "necessary" to be an effective, current pilot.

You are reading into a pilot wanting to use MSFS for a procedural practice opportunity as people here claiming that "MSFS is required to be an airline pilot".   Well of course it's not, and of course they're not.

A pack of dominoes or a boiled egg would work as effectively if they provided an opportunity to practice rare procedural flows!

That's where your thinking is going off track here...... you're reading it as "Pilots need MSFS to stay current", whereas what it really is, is:-    MSFS has some addons that provide for realistic procedural flow practice for rare procedures.

See what I'm getting at?    Or are you just going to say "it's a bit worrying" again. 😄

I'm flying to Prague poverty class next week. And the thought that the pilot has had to practice on MSFS in order to get me there safely is somewhat disconcerting!

What a ridiculous discussion. 👎

14 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

What a ridiculous discussion. 👎

I'm not so sure that it is ridiculous. It would seem that there are commercial pilots who are using MSFS for training purposes.

3 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

I'm not so sure that it is ridiculous. It would seem that there are commercial pilots who are using MSFS for training purposes.

I know a check pilot that has about 20,000 hours, and he and his son has  a PPL   both fly MSFS. I bet that beats the heck out of any experience in aviation that you have. 

Edited February 18, 20233 yr by Bobsk8

16 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

I'm flying to Prague poverty class next week. And the thought that the pilot has had to practice on MSFS in order to get me there safely is somewhat disconcerting!

The OP said nothing of the kind. As a conscientious professional he has (thanks to modern technology) a way to emulate the aircraft he flies, and it’s systems, on his home PC to a degree previously only available on full size simulators. He said he wants to “lab” various scenarios. Perhaps setting up a complex STAR and approach with a last-minute runway change requiring reprogramming the FMS. Or various failures that could occur during the landing or takeoff phase. Airlines spend tens of thousands of dollars sending their pilots to recurrent sim training precisely to “practice” these non-normal events. 

Do you honestly believe that “professionals” have no need to practice their skills? Professional musicians preparing to give a public performance will spend many many hours practicing the music they are going to play before taking the stage. The same holds true for professional athletes.

A dedication to practice is the very hallmark and definition of professionalism. 

18 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

I'm not so sure that it is ridiculous. It would seem that there are commercial pilots who are using MSFS for training purposes.

You sound ridiculous right now. We all start somewhere. If anything pilots use MSFS just for refreshing themselves with a place they may have not been too or have been, but not for a while. When they have been grounded a long time or before a sim check to brush up on skills also happens. 

Edited February 18, 20233 yr by carlanthony24

7 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I know a check pilot that has about 20,000 hours, and he and his son has  a PPL   both fly MSFS. I bet that beats the heck out of any experience in aviation that you have. 

Oddly enough my daughter in law is a pilot. But she doesn't use MSFS and as far as I know manages without it. And even without the Fenix which doesn't have saves.

14 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

I'm not so sure that it is ridiculous. It would seem that there are commercial pilots who are using MSFS for training purposes.

This is ridiculous....as a professional retired military sniper with 28 years of service and experience, we trained ALL of the time when we were not conducting actual missions. That said, with my job I still practiced on my own at the range, with my personal rifle, very often to hone my skills even further. I would submit that many professionals across all crafts and trades do similar honing of thier skills with whatever is available. For example, at one time in my career, we stood up a new unit that had no equipment assigned yet, including any sniper rifles. So, we went to the local hardware store and purchased some air pellet rifles. Could we practice and work on our long range 1000 meter shots with those? No, we could not. BUT, we could work on our trigger, breathing and basic principles of marksmanship skills with those pellet rifles, thereby honing our skills even further so that when we did recieve nice new 7.62 sniper rifles and went to the long distance range we were that much bettter. For any professional that wants to further hone thier skiils and dial them into the best, whatever training options they have available is a major training multiplier. It seems that you just don't understand this principle. 

28 minutes ago, sniper31 said:

This is ridiculous....as a professional retired military sniper with 28 years of service and experience, we trained ALL of the time when we were not conducting actual missions.

Yes but did you train using Call of Duty 4? The point being that MSFS is a consumer game and that no one should use it for real world training purposes.

IMO.

Edited February 18, 20233 yr by jarmstro