40 minutes ago, mSparks said:

too much effort for you....

indeed it is. I am a pilot and customer who paid for a product, I am not a developer and have absolutely no intention to become one nor to spend my time fixing other peoples defective products, like I don't fix Windows or my graphics card drivers when they have bugs.

Edited February 22, 20233 yr by turbomax

1 minute ago, turbomax said:

indeed it is. I am a pilot and customer who paid for a product, I am not a developer and have absolutely no intention to become one nor to spend my time fixing other peoples defective products, like I don't fix Windows or my graphics card drivers when they have bugs.

No, you did NOT pay the authors of the thousands of airports available in xplane for their work, in any way shape or form. They contributed to the community because they value flight sim and want the best experience from the product they did pay for.

But since now you know you didn't perhaps you should go through these authors and actually pay them for it?

https://gateway.x-plane.com/airports/NZMF/show

 

8 minutes ago, turbomax said:

... other peoples defective products ...

Like this and this one? Why don't we hear grumbling about that mess from your side? So, you (maybe not you, but ) me know now, who has to Ketchup ... catch up.

14 minutes ago, flying_carpet said:

Like this and this one? Why don't we hear grumbling about that mess from your side? So, you (maybe not you, but ) me know now, who has to Ketchup ... catch up.

whats proper funny is, I suspect his effort is really going into trying to undermine XP, but Laminar and the community is fixing any issues that get found so quickly that even the most OCD among us is rapidly running out of anything at all to complain about.

So much so that we are now into issues where posting a screenshot of the problem on avsim is more effort than just fixing it himself and sharing that fix with everyone.

Even funnier because they so far they do not seem to have found any of the big hard to fix bugs you cant unsee that are actually sucking up most of LRs time atm.

41 minutes ago, turbomax said:

indeed it is. I am a pilot and customer who paid for a product, I am not a developer and have absolutely no intention to become one nor to spend my time fixing other peoples defective products, like I don't fix Windows or my graphics card drivers when they have bugs.

Name software that is bug free and not in continual development.

2 hours ago, mSparks said:

you did NOT pay the authors of the thousands of airports available in xplane for their work

"X-Plane 12 includes detailed 3-D scenery for more than 17,000 airports around the world – all with new ground textures, towers and pavement effects to enhance realism."

from xplane's own product ad. it wasn't clear to me that most xplane airport then are of amateurish lower quality than what they depict on their web site. After the new beta I came back today to check if it has improved and to check out how NZMF looks now that we will get the complete New Zealand, by professional designers, all free, in just a few hours for the other "game", no need for the customer to "help correcting scenery bugs". I leave xperiment12 then to you guys, I enjoy flying in great scenery, not waste my time fixing scenery bugs etc.

38 minutes ago, turbomax said:

X-Plane 12 includes detailed 3-D scenery for more than 17,000 airports around the world – all with new ground textures, towers and pavement effects to enhance realism."

indeed, and the reason you didnt have to pay 17,000 × $5+ for xplane like you would for all the other sims, is Laminar have been working closely with their community for decades, and that community gave you them for free.

38 minutes ago, turbomax said:

it wasn't clear to me that most xplane airport then are of amateurish lower quality than what they depict on their web site

could have been worse, you could have paid 3x the price for a simplistic sim that didnt even have NZMF included. 

Oh wait you did.

Ouch.

well, you live and learn, like I said, check that flatten checkbox and your latest big xplane issue will be resolved.

Edited February 23, 20233 yr by mSparks

42 minutes ago, turbomax said:

it wasn't clear to me that most xplane airport then are of amateurish lower quality than what they depict on their web site.

So...free=amateurish lower quality?  Is the inibuilds A310 for MSFS, amateurish lower quality?  Is any of the Working Title stuff, amateurish lower quality?  Will the A380 be amateurish lower quality?

Or maybe you want to clarify what you mean by "most x-plane airports..."?  Seeing as you only mentioned one, and you zeroed in on it like a lion zeros in on a gazelle when it hasn't eaten for a week.

That's some attitude you have there.

45 minutes ago, turbomax said:

I leave xperiment12 then to you guys

Thank you for the announcement.  It's what we have been advising you to do for several weeks.

Blue skies!

 

I do not know why I continuously surprised by the vitriol and negativity that ensues when a simple statement by one person as to why they are now using XPlane vis a vis another simulator is posted, Psychologists have researched online forums and made the point that the Trolls can be guaranteed to arrive after about the 10th comment post, I can observe that other simulator users almost appear to be members of some bizarre cult and can not tolerate any difference or views that there's is the most up to date, the most sophisticated and the only sim, Got me beat same old same old went on in the P3D forums again MS vs P3D, Usual outcome is poor moderators have to shut down discussion as it runs off the rails, 

Equally I am always surprised by the number of users who are experiencing issues with the way their hardware and software interacts, usually in bizarre or strange ways, I read these posts and can only say - not my experience, I migrated to XPlane for a variety of reasons, the same as why I kept P3D for so long, fidelity, I am not looking to recreate on the computer screen in front of me a complete facsimile of the world outside my window or the aeroplane I have an interest in, There are compromises, always will be, but what I see and experience now generates absolutely no complaints from me, I also expect it to improve and get sharper and more robust - way it is, in the meantime, enjoy it for what it is a SIMULATION if you want the real thing go out and get a pilots license and do it for real! Oh and make sure you have a spare $250,000 handy to pay for it to get you to the level a commercial or military pilots gets to, so for those who love flight and the history and experience of aviation, just enjoy what has been achieved. After the days of SubLogics ATP, MS98 and FSX and even P3D the shear genius of XPlane and the commitment of thousands upon thousands of users who collaborate and add to it is worth every little niggle that may come up from time to time, My total outlay for XPlane stuff so far is probably been about $500 after a life time of real aviation behind me, boy is XPlane a bargain,!

39 minutes ago, coastaldriver said:

I do not know why I continuously surprised by the vitriol and negativity that ensues when a simple statement by one person as to why they are now using XPlane vis a vis another simulator is posted...

(I trimmed your quote for space saving)

It'll always happen.  Tribalism exists in every forum.  At least, in the X-Plane forums, it's nowhere near as bad as other forums.  The key to stopping it is blocking those who do post the negativity from having access to these forums.  I've seen people get banned for posting vitriol in other social media platforms, and their comments deleted.  Facebook, reddit, etc...(I'm actually surprised that reddit is turning into not a bad place to visit when it comes to X-Plane).

Thankfully, it's a very small minority who keep posting textual garbage.  It's been whittled down to 2 people in these forums.  2 people, out of all the members in avsim, is pretty good.  What they say over "there", I couldn't care less.  I have better things to do with my time than read negative posts from people who can't handle competition in a forum that deals with software i don't even own.  

 

Edited February 23, 20233 yr by GoranM

5 hours ago, mSparks said:

whats proper funny is, I suspect his effort is really going into trying to undermine XP, but Laminar and the community is fixing any issues that get found so quickly that even the most OCD among us is rapidly running out of anything at all to complain about.

So much so that we are now into issues where posting a screenshot of the problem on avsim is more effort than just fixing it himself and sharing that fix with everyone.

Even funnier because they so far they do not seem to have found any of the big hard to fix bugs you cant unsee that are actually sucking up most of LRs time atm.

Hi,

Guess that depends on what issues you're referring to... Networking items haven't been addressed at all!!! You have vehicles that morph or disappear between computers/visuals, cloud shadows aren't evenly placed over the network, clouds between computers/visuals don't match 40% of the time, lighting strikes at night... One screen turns white during the strike while the others remain dark, you'll get rain on one computer/visual no rain on the others, dusk/dawn daylight changes at different times between the network. L/R knows about these issues so, I don't know what your idea of "Laminar and the community is fixing any issues that get found so quickly that even the most OCD among us is rapidly running out of anything at all to complain about"

I think XP12 is great and it's the only sim I use, but they are NOT fixing known issues quickly. You won't hear me (word not allowed) about it because I know it will get fixed, but your statement above is absolutely false. 

Edited February 23, 20233 yr by Mike_CFII_MEL

@Mike_CFII_MEL

Not to diminish the importance, but there aren't many people who use the networking feature.  All bugs are placed on a priority list, and, to Laminar, some issues are more important to fix, than others.  

Networking fixes are on the list.  LR will get around to them when larger issues are taken care of.  

6 minutes ago, GoranM said:

@Mike_CFII_MEL

Not to diminish the importance, but there aren't many people who use the networking feature.  All bugs are placed on a priority list, and, to Laminar, some issues are more important to fix, than others.  

Networking fixes are on the list.  LR will get around to them when larger issues are taken care of.  

Hi,

I get that, that's why I've been quiet about it, I report what I find and I know it will get corrected eventually. But, they do offer in house networking (even if we are a smaller group within a small group) with that said these issues have been around in XP11 as well so I find the above statement in part "Laminar and the community is fixing any issues that get found so quickly" by Sparks a bit over the top.

Edited February 23, 20233 yr by Mike_CFII_MEL

11 minutes ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

Hi,

Guess that depends on what issues you're referring to... Networking items haven't been addressed at all!!! You have vehicles that morph or disappear between computers/visuals, cloud shadows aren't evenly placed over the network, clouds between computers/visuals don't match 40% of the time, lighting strikes at night... One screen turns white during the strike while the others remain dark, you'll get rain on one computer/visual no rain on the others. L/R knows about these issues so, I don't know what your idea of "Laminar and the community is fixing any issues that get found so quickly that even the most OCD among us is rapidly running out of anything at all to complain about"

I think XP12 is great and it's the only sim I use, but they are NOT fixing known issues quickly. You won't hear me word not allowed about it because I know it will get fixed, but your statement above is absolutely false. 

I think there are so many visual issues at the moment that they probably won't focus on networking for a long while. One moment you are flying through the cloud in the rain, the next moment everything is pitch black. But if I recall correctly, Austin said they were going to focus on FAA related things for the professional market after release. I would assume proper networking would be important for that segment of the market.

By the way, did you see a major improvement with your upgrade to 4090 cards?

2 minutes ago, brinx said:

By the way, did you see a major improvement with your upgrade to 4090 cards?

Hi,

Absolutely, the Asus 4090TUF boards have made a big time improvement over the EVGA FTW3 3090s, I'm not sorry I picked these up at all. I have all sliders full right with Traffic Global set @ 100% traffic. I like to run my setup locked at 30Hz, 30FPS, it seems to give me the best/smoothest performance overall. Never seen the FPS counter drop below 30, the graphics card is a beast, a side-by-side view makes the 3090 look small!

Only thing that may bring these cards to their knees will be the volumetric lighting once it's turned on. I have tested myself manually, but I'll wait until they get it right before making any judgements. 

Waited many years for flight sim software to catch up with the ability to utilize our hardware, looks like we are finally getting there... I'm loving every minute of XP12.