July 14, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, psolk said: Because airspace is a shared medium with a limited number of channels so if you are on Channel 11 and your neighbor is on channel 11 there is contention. Similarly there is more interference at 2.4 so moving as much as . Our general rule of thumb in an office is if it moves, wifi, if it doesn't, wire it... Hi Paul! Is it okay to run a 100 ft wired cat6 cable or does that increase latency too? I have a giant cable that I run to my PC from the router because I don't want to put a hole in the floor AND it's not a permanent place for the PC. | My Liveries | FAA ZMP | PPL ASEL | | Windows 11 | MSI Z690 Tomahawk | 12700K 4.7GHz | MSI RTX 4080 | 64GB 6000 MHz DDR5 | 500GB Samsung 860 Evo SSD | 2x 2TB Samsung 970 Evo M.2 | EVGA 850W Gold | Corsair 5000X | HP G2 (VR) / LG 27" 1440p |
July 14, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, ryanbatc said: Hi Paul! Is it okay to run a 100 ft wired cat6 cable or does that increase latency too? I have a giant cable that I run to my PC from the router because I don't want to put a hole in the floor AND it's not a permanent place for the PC. 100 ft no issues, 100 meters is an issue 🙂 I run 150 ft for a 12 foot run to go up to the attic, across the house, out the garage to a camera rather than drilling through the wall LOL Have a Wonderful Day -Paul Solk
July 14, 20232 yr Author 2 hours ago, Mike S KPDX said: Wired Ethernet connections are faster, more reliable, and have lower latency than wireless connections. Always. Yes, I understand that, but that's not my question. Noel System: 9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync. Aircraft used in MSFS 2024: Fenix A320, Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.
July 14, 20232 yr Author 2 hours ago, edpatino said: Fully agree, but the OP wants to keep using wi-fi.... The OP wants to know if anyone who went from wifi measure at 200-340mbps noticed a difference, that's all. Noel System: 9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync. Aircraft used in MSFS 2024: Fenix A320, Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.
July 14, 20232 yr Author 2 hours ago, psolk said: You may not think there is a lot of activity on your wifi network but that doesn't mean there isn't a lot of noise and traffic in the airspace. Can you recommend a way to quantify this, the noise/traffic? All I'm going on is my PC's wireless connection, using SpeedTest, and it's always over 200 and normally closer to 380. And my typical MSFS experience is very positive, but occasionally not, so I'm attempting to r/o sources of not. Noel System: 9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync. Aircraft used in MSFS 2024: Fenix A320, Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.
July 14, 20232 yr WiFi is always half duplex so it can't perform as good as ethernet. Edited July 14, 20232 yr by jcomm Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
July 14, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Noel said: Can you recommend a way to quantify this, the noise/traffic? All I'm going on is my PC's wireless connection, using SpeedTest, and it's always over 200 and normally closer to 380. And my typical MSFS experience is very positive, but occasionally not, so I'm attempting to r/o sources of not. download a wifi analyzer onto a phone/tablet which will allow you to actually move around the house and see the difference. I use a professional tool with a hefty licensing fee but lots of free wifi analyzers available. You'll be amazed what your devices are "actually" seeing vs what you think they are seeing 🙂 Have a Wonderful Day -Paul Solk
July 14, 20232 yr Up to 1000 feet should be fine to wire. The wifi analyzer will show you the congestion around your house and what signals you're picking up. As for the usage of the frequency, though, and if the channel is heavily used in your network itself, you will likely have to see if your router has any diagnostics for that.
July 14, 20232 yr 44 minutes ago, Noel said: The OP wants to know if anyone who went from wifi measure at 200-340mbps noticed a difference, that's all. Yes. Also an internet salesperson, so can confirm everything psolk is saying here is correct. Frequency jam on 2.4GHz is usually huge, especially if you're in a thickly settled area or an apartment building. With all of the CenturyLink and Comcast pre-installed equipment each broadcasting a wifi network in my last building, the 2.4GHz spectrum was virtually unusable. My streaming TV would barely even work until I plugged it into ethernet (Over 100 2.4GHz SSIDs in range!) 100' of CAT6 shouldn't be an issue. You should notice a significant improvement in consistency of upload and download speeds, less jitter, lots of those "duh I lost the internet" moments will go away. Depending on what your home is built out of, you may have building materials or practices that aren't great for wifi proliferation, but usually those tend to be industrial buildings or metal frames. I was on a customer site a few months ago where we had 5 bars, 5G Ultra Coverage, and great wifi reception from another building on the property standing outside the door, and as soon as you walked inside your cell stopped working and you got no wifi either. It's a finicky technology and if your #1 priority is consistency and stability, you should probably hardwire your sim computer. Edited July 14, 20232 yr by mspencer
July 14, 20232 yr Author 45 minutes ago, jcomm said: WiFi is always half duplex so it can't perform as good as ethernet. Understood Noel System: 9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync. Aircraft used in MSFS 2024: Fenix A320, Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.
July 14, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Noel said: The OP wants to know if anyone who went from wifi measure at 200-340mbps noticed a difference, that's all. Hopefully you've got your answers Cheers, Ed MSFS2020 Steam // Rig: Corsair Graphite 760T Full Tower - ASUS MBoard Maximus XII Hero Z490 - CPU Intel i9-10900K - 64GB RAM - MSI RTX2080 Super 8GB - [1xNVMe M.2 1TB + 1xNVMe M.2 2TB (Samsung)] + [1xSSD 1TB + 1xSSD 2TB (Crucial)] + [1xSSD 1TB (Samsung)] + 1 HDD Seagate 2TB + 1 HDD Seagate External 4TB - Monitor LG 29UC97C UWHD Curved - PSU Corsair RM1000x // Thrustmaster FCS & MS XBOX Controllers
July 14, 20232 yr A wifi router and transmitter on the PC itself should both have antenna ears. The one of the pc should have a cable connected that runs from the PC to the antenna ears which are mounted up high on the wall. The above configuration yields the exact same speeds as a cable connection in our house. Without those antenna ears on both ends, speeds decrease by over 50%. The cable companies' router will likely not have ears. It will be a gateway designed to look pretty and will not perform well. But if your PC is located close to the router then the above procedure will not make much difference. 5800X3D, RTX4070, 600 Watt, one or two 1440p 32" screens, 64 GB RAM, 4 TB PCle 3 NVMe, Warthog throttle, VKB NXT EVO stick, Honeycomb Alpha yoke, CH quad, 3 Logitech panels, 2 StreamDecks, Desktop Aviator Trim Panel. Crystal Light VR.
July 14, 20232 yr Please note that if your internet is being throttled by your ISP a VPN will make no difference. The connection between you and the VPN server will be secure and private but will be throttled the same as everything else.
July 14, 20232 yr Author 8 minutes ago, mspencer said: Yes. Also an internet salesperson, so can confirm everything psolk is saying here is correct. Frequency jam on 2.4GHz is usually huge, especially if you're in a thickly settled area or an apartment building. With all of the CenturyLink and Comcast pre-installed equipment each broadcasting a wifi network in my last building, the 2.4GHz spectrum was virtually unusable. My streaming TV would barely even work until I plugged it into ethernet (Over 100 2.4GHz SSIDs in range!) 100' of CAT6 shouldn't be an issue. You should notice a significant improvement in consistency of upload and download speeds, less jitter, lots of those "duh I lost the internet" moments will go away. Depending on what your home is built out of, you may have building materials or practices that aren't great for wifi proliferation, but usually those tend to be industrial buildings or metal frames. I was on a customer site a few months ago where we had 5 bars, 5G Ultra Coverage, and great wifi reception from another building on the property standing outside the door, and as soon as you walked inside your cell stopped working and you got no wifi either. It's a finicky technology and if your #1 priority is consistency and stability, you should probably hardwire your sim computer. I've come this far because i have had decent WiFi service to the PC, but I'm hoping the occasional seemingly poorer performance (or is it the MSFS server??) will disappear. I just got back from ACE Hardware with 50' of cable and hooked it up. 475mbps but bandwidth has never seemed close to an issue, but perhaps stability of signal for lack of a more accurate name will make a difference it's very hard to say. My plan is to evaluate my own question and see if indeed I can see a practical difference. I fully understand the hard connection is always going to be superior, but if current performance exceeds all needs, it may make no difference in the end. Wifey (no WiFi!) is OOT til the 19th so I have 5 days to test this out as the cable is not out of the way. If it pans out as useful I will figure out how I can route it. Cheers and thanks Now I just have to figure out the path to wire it permanently! Cheers Noel System: 9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync. Aircraft used in MSFS 2024: Fenix A320, Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.
July 14, 20232 yr Author 1 hour ago, edpatino said: Hopefully you've got your answers I sort of did Ed, and mspencer's testimony was the closest to an answer to my question. Even so, he said he had trouble connecting his TV until he hard connected it, and we have no troubles at all like that. But 5 days of testing should hopefully make it clear. Cheers Noel System: 9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync. Aircraft used in MSFS 2024: Fenix A320, Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.
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