no need to play out the indecision for the whole world to see.  plenty of advice already given.  they're only a $50/80 products that can be used for years over many, many planes. 

not really a big deal.  

I have used PMS since it was released and I have never had any problems with it, it just get better and better.

1 minute ago, Ixoye said:

I have used PMS since it was released and I have never had any problems with it, it just get better and better.

Same here. I feature I use all the time is the WTT visual approaches. Like having a GPS approach to every airport, every runway. 

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

Same here. I feature I use all the time is the WTT visual approaches. Like having a GPS approach to every airport, every runway. 

And just for information, the TDS GTN750 also provides visual approaches.

Al

Edited August 5, 20232 yr by ark

22 minutes ago, ark said:

And just for information, the TDS GTN750 also provides visual approaches.

Al

Yeah, as long as the airport you are trying to land at is over 4,000 feet and in the Garmin Trainer Data base. 

31 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Yeah, as long as the airport you are trying to land at is over 4,000 feet and in the Garmin Trainer Data base. 

So your point is if the airport is not in the Garmin database no visual approach is provided? "Yeah", certainly can't disagree with that!

The data base differences between the two GTN750s has already been clearly laid out above. You come across, to me at least, that for some reason you feel under attack and have to defend your choice of GTN 750. I have both GTN750s and don't feel the need to defend or push the use of either one. I simply wanted to provide information for someone reading through this thread who is trying to decide what best fits their needs. If, for example, all they fly is airliners, then runways less than 4000ft outside North America are not an issue and some other GTN 750 pro or con may be the deciding factor in their choice.

Al

Edited August 5, 20232 yr by ark

15 minutes ago, ark said:

So your point is if the airport is not in the Garmin database no visual approach is provided? "Yeah", certainly can't disagree with that!

The data base differences between the two GTN750s has already been clearly laid out above. You come across, to me at least, that for some reason you feel under attack and have to defend your choice of GTN 750. I have both GTN750s and don't feel the need to defend or push the use of either one. I simply wanted to provide information for someone reading through this thread who is trying to decide what best fits their needs. If, for example, all they fly is airliners, then runways less than 4000ft outside North America are not an issue and some other GTN 750 pro or con may be the deciding factor in their choice.

Al

I had a few years experience flying the Garmin Trainer data base. I flew both GA aircraft, into small airports and tubeliners both in the US and Europe. I know the shortcomings of the garmin Database very well. . 

23 minutes ago, ark said:

If, for example, all they fly is airliners, then runways less than 4000ft outside North America are not an issue and some other GTN 750 pro or con may be the deciding factor in their choice.

If all they fly is airliners they won't need a GTN anyway.

59 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Yeah, as long as the airport you are trying to land at is over 4,000 feet and in the Garmin Trainer Data base. 

Hmm, I guess I got lucky that my local airfield, CAM3 is in the Garmin GTN navdata..

Aerodrome information

CAM3 has a single asphalt runway (Runway 13/31). The runway is 30 feet wide and 1494 feet long; the aerodrome elevation is 300 feet ASL

5 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

Hmm, I guess I got lucky that my local airfield, CAM3 is in the Garmin GTN navdata..

Aerodrome information

CAM3 has a single asphalt runway (Runway 13/31). The runway is 30 feet wide and 1494 feet long; the aerodrome elevation is 300 feet ASL

If you were in Europe, it wouldn't be there. 😉

6 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

If you were in Europe, it wouldn't be there. 😉

Just checked... From a recent flight..  LHEM is there too 🙂

Esztergom Airport - LHEM

 

AirportGuide

https://airportguide.com › Airports

 

 

 

Runway Summary ; Runways: 02/20 ; Longest Runway: 02/20 is 3281 ft (1000 m) long ;

Edited August 5, 20232 yr by Bert Pieke

3 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

Just checked... From a recent flight..  LHEM is there too 🙂

Esztergom Airport - LHEM

 

AirportGuide

https://airportguide.com › Airports

 

 

 

 

Runway Summary ; Runways: 02/20 ; Longest Runway: 02/20 is 3281 ft (1000 m) long ;

Maybe Garmin finally got their act together. the dividing line, as Bob Scott posted yesterday, used to be 4,000 feet. 

17 minutes ago, Alvega said:

If all they fly is airliners they won't need a GTN anyway.

True -- poor example on my part, but I'm sure you get my point. The purpose of this thread as I understand it is to provide info on both GTNs so a user can make an informed choice based on their particular needs.

Al

5 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Maybe Garmin finally got their act together. the dividing line, as Bob Scott posted yesterday, used to be 4,000 feet. 

Looks Like that for an airfield to be included it must meet one of  these conditions:

Quote

 

1) It is the center for a controlled airspace

2) Associated with an approach, departure, or arrival procedure

3) Have a 2,000ft+ hard-surfaced runway depicted in the runway records

 

Don't know if this applies only for the US or Europe too.

https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?faq=mBprhH6kan9R5EtG2QeeAA

Edited August 5, 20232 yr by Alvega

27 minutes ago, Alvega said:

Looks Like that for an airfield to be included it must meet one of  these conditions:

Don't know if this applies only for the US or Europe too.

https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?faq=mBprhH6kan9R5EtG2QeeAA

This applies to "private" airfields... as stated in the doc you link to..

WHAT PRIVATE FIELDS ARE INCLUDED?

Some private fields are still displayed on the avionics displays.  It comes down to a few critical items.  In order for a private field to be included in the avionics database it must meet one of the following criteria.

1) It is the center for a controlled airspace

2) Associated with an approach, departure, or arrival procedure

3) Have a 2,000ft+ hard-surfaced runway depicted in the runway records

Edited August 5, 20232 yr by Bert Pieke