I am finding that default ATC dont seem to care what direction I set wind at. ( I am not set to online weather.)  The active runway never changes. 'They' dont seem to care about making me land in a strong tail wind. Is this normal practice for 'them'?   I'm mindful of all the comments about the default ATC and is this one reason for it.

I don't use the ATC for much, but 50% of the time you will get the wrong runway.  Yesterday, I was landing at KRNO with a fairly strong wind (>10 knots) down RWY 17.  I was all set to land on 17R when I decided to ask the tower for permission.  They wanted me to land on 35R.  Sure enough, I could see a plane landing the opposite direction at about 3 miles out.  I just tuned off the tower and continued for 17R.  Landing with a tailwind isn't unheard of, but most of the time MSFS ATC does a horrible job giving good runway assignments.  It's better to just avoid using it.

Thanks.. Yes, I think I will have to invest in an ATC 3rd party ...  I have also heard default ATC give take-off permissions into wind just after I had been given clearance for landing on the same runway down wind.  .. Go figure.. does the "C" stand for catastrophe.

I gave up on on default ATC, the best part of MSFS is that the volume knob on your radio is actually functional, unlike in P3D or FSX. I suggest you turn the volume all the way down.

Yes, the default ATC has many issues and one of the most glaring is continued improper runway assignments.  Coupled with that is an improper communication sequence for requesting other approaches after wind shifts.  However, I continue to use the default ATC for now, aware of the shortcomings and ignoring those improper assignments and instructions.

I hope to test a number of the other ATC options this Fall after a few more things shake out.

I thought at one point that ATC was giving you the RWY for live weather irrespective of how you set the wind in the sim, but I don't think it's that.  Be aware though that many airports have a preferred runway except if the wind is outside certain parameters which means that you can often get a downwind RWY within those parameters.  I'm not sure whether MSFS mimics this.

Yes it's long standing stock ATC bug that calls for complete ATC overhaul. My bet is on MSFS2024

On 8/7/2023 at 2:34 AM, robb13 said:

I am finding that default ATC dont seem to care what direction I set wind at. ( I am not set to online weather.)  The active runway never changes. 'They' dont seem to care about making me land in a strong tail wind. Is this normal practice for 'them'?   I'm mindful of all the comments about the default ATC and is this one reason for it.

I think it was on the first Asobo list to investigate in the fall of 2020.  Anyone ever heard a dewpoint of other than 10° or 13°?

Live weather has in other regards become better and better.  But about those missing cloud types and textures.....

 

Edited August 8, 20232 yr by fppilot

Nevermind the ATC. i would be happy if just the wind socks actually knew which way the wind was blowing.

I have high hopes for Beyond ATC. Release is supposed to happen in 2023.

https://www.beyondatc.net/

 

 

15 hours ago, Noell said:

I have high hopes for Beyond ATC. Release is supposed to happen in 2023.

https://www.beyondatc.net/

 

 

BATC will just add additional enhanced ATC audio/voices in correlation with what the AI traffic under the control of MSFS is doing whether from MSFS Live Traffic, FSLTL, or Just Flight. So while BATC does bring a lot of much needed ATC "improvement" it's only in the form of ATC/audio. The control of the AI itself will still be under the MSFS engine. So that can have a lot of problems related to that as well. This has been directly confirmed from the developer Captain on their discord channel. 

 

Having been an AI nut for a # of years and seeing the different products out there, so far FSHud has been the only 3rd party ATC product that doesn't rely on MSFS itself to control the AI. The control and injection of AI are handled all singularly through FSHud. And since it seems that Asobo has little to no plans to really fix their AI/ATC system the same way that they've been neglecting weather I think that FSHud offers a kind of "all in one" package. It not only provides the ATC but the aircraft are doing exactly what ATC is telling them. Not just a ballpark result. BATC just reads the state of the AI in the sim from MSFS and gives an appropriate more realistic transmission based on that state. Again, confirmed by the developer.

 

BATC will definitely pump the immersion factor up a lot but it's not going to have any control over what AI are doing which is the standing problem. I'm excited to see what BATC can do like everyone else it but I have a strong feeling a lot of people are going to be "disappointed" when they realize that BATC isn't the one controlling AI and they start seeing inconsistencies between what AI are doing and what BATC is saying. But then again, since BATC is reading the AI sim state I guess the ATC would generally match up but it'd still be a bit of an issue since the AI engine is still bonkers. 

Here;s hoping 2024 sorts it all out.. In the interim I might check out FSHud as I probably wont be getting FS2024 on its initial release (unless my PCs  specs. are able to deal with it).

I flew into KDEN from Reno last night, all inbound traffic was landing on 16R and 16L and outbound was all lined up and taking off from 34R. Pretty ridiculous scenes. This is one of the items that if not fixed in 2024, I'm going to be pretty worked up over it.