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Pilots dash 7

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Now that it has been out for awhile would owners post some of their thoughts......

It's on my shortlist for the next add-on. Thanks.

You could just ask in the existing thread...

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The last post there was 07 Nov.

1 hour ago, dbw1 said:

Now that it has been out for awhile would owners post some of their thoughts......

It's on my shortlist for the next add-on. Thanks.

It should be very good, as it was originally developed by the guys at SWS (SimWorksStudios), the same who developed the Kodiak 100, the VAN's RV and currently the Pilatus PC-12.

Cheers, Ed

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31 minutes ago, edpatino said:

It should be very good, as it was originally developed by the guys at SWS (SimWorksStudios), the same who developed the Kodiak 100, the VAN's RV and currently the Pilatus PC-12.

Isn't SWS contracted to do only visual? How could SWS developed it and give it away for another developer? It does not make much sense

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I think its a fun plane but its certainly not up to the standard SWS has shown for the Kodiak and previewed with the PC-12.

In fact I think SWS would be somewhat embarrassed to be associated with it in its current state. 

Taxiing around in it is a pain as the idle thrust is crazy high on it.   Even with two of the engines in feather its still much too fast. 

The AP is quirky.   It does some weird things when switching modes.   Its clearly not operating the way it should. 

Alt hold mode is bugged.  When I select alt hold it resets the selected altitude to 0 instead of just holding the current altitude.  

ADF is inop as far as I can tell.   The condition levers are a little hard to manipulate for me.  I think if you can bind them to an axis they are probably ok  But I have to use keys or mouse to move them and they jump around.

Its annoying to me that they provide a startup checklist and more than half of the items on the checklist are inop or you can't even operate the switch.  I mean if you are including this documentation and follow your own checklist you would very quickly realize this doesn't work.  At least let me flip the switch for various tests. 

On the plus side I like that I can use the TDS GTNxi avionics with it.   I think the model is quite good. 

I hope they continue to improve it.  Its far from study level.

But if you can forgive the various faults there is a cool little plane under all that.   I actually enjoy flying it around.  Its been fun hopping around Iceland's various airports.  Just know that you are getting an incomplete product. 

Into the blue has a fair review.   They have fixed a number of little things since the review that make it better but it still has problems. 

 

Edited by sergemodular

25 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Isn't SWS contracted to do only visual? How could SWS developed it and give it away for another developer? It does not make much sense

SWS announced they're were contracted by Pilot's to develop the Dash7 long time ago (SWS Discord's channel).

Cheers, Ed

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4 minutes ago, sergemodular said:

Taxiing around in it is a pain as the idle thrust is crazy high on it.   Even with two of the engines in feather its still much too fast. 

I don't own it yet, but I read somewhere that taxiing the aircraft is somewhat difficult and you have to continually apply brakes.

Cheers, Ed

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11 minutes ago, edpatino said:

SWS announced they're were contracted by Pilot's to develop the Dash7 long time ago (SWS Discord's channel).

Developed what exactly? Didn't SWS said they contracted to make visual model? The rest of development is on Pilot's tab

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I bought it a week ago and have covered about 4 hours in it.   My take:-

It's an extreme disappointment. Almost everything about it is characterized by low fidelity and genericness.  At first sight, the overhead panel looks great.  Then you discover that you can ignore almost all of it and just hit the starters and push the levers up!  The sounds are really dire. It flies like the Hindenberg.  I have never ever come across an aircraft in any sim that is so slow to repond to control inputs.   I ended up putting my sensitivity settings way up into positive values, to try to get this thing to move.   It has one endearing feature:  the sound when you engage the main battery bus is divine.  It lulls you into a false impression that this is going to be a great experience.   It really isn't.   The sounds when you reduce prop RPM are completely wrong.   I could go on, but in short, you know how people used to say that Carenado aircraft were "flying textures"?    Well that's what this is.   A model made by SWS, and then configured in the most basic sense by PILOTs.  It is ridiculously underpowered. (With an average load, climbs for me at about 700 FPM at only 110knots!).

It would make the top 3 worst aircraft I've bought in MSFS since 2020.

Edited by JYW

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1 hour ago, edpatino said:

SWS announced they're were contracted by Pilot's to develop the Dash7 long time ago (SWS Discord's channel).

Nope. This is discussed widely on the official forum.

SWS created the model and textures only.  Nothing else.   They supplied a non-functional model with textures to PILOTS who then built up all of the cfg files, sounds, everything.

You said "It was made by SWS so it should be good", indicating that you don't own it.    I love SWS and feel I have a moral obligation to point out that this Dash 7 is not even in the same universe as any SWS aircraft.  It is very, very poor.   I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy as they say!   I have no hate for PILOTs and they've made some good scenery.   But buy this Dash at your own risk!  

Edited by JYW

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1 hour ago, JYW said:

But buy this Dash at your own risk!  

It's on my wish list. I'm a big fan of the Dash 7

Edited by edpatino

Cheers, Ed

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I'm a big fan of the actual aircraft too, so it was inevitable that I'd buy it. Overall impressions are that it does need further development, but with that, it could make PILOTS reputation. The ADF doesn't work, a lot of the switches don't do anything, and the textures need upgrading. Having said that, I'm enjoying it. I use a Loupedeck, and the autopilot has worked beautifully with it. All in all, I'm glad I got it - I just hope Jerome and Stefan invest more time and effort. It could become a bestseller, especially if they brought out the combi version ( the version that they should have done from the start, IMO ).

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5 hours ago, dbw1 said:

The last post there was 07 Nov.

Yes, but if you'd posted in it, it would have been bumped to the top of the front page and people would have have responded and saved a second thread on the same subject. Just saying...😉

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I enjoy it, some areas for improvement (which have been noted by the dev) but overall it’s a fun, different aircraft.  There’s a number of mods available on the official forums that make some great improvements (including one that adds a beta range - taxiing is much easier).

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