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[F737MAX 5,738]

Just now, Farlis said:

One would think revenue is not that much of a problem any longer when prioritzing development time.

If PMDG is in the hiring bonanza that RSR says it is, revenue becomes a much bigger concern. LNAV v2.0 won't bring  extra money through the door–that is dev time that can be spent on other projects that will.

A lot of people agree with you regarding promising upgrades that never materialise. Unfortunately, over the years PMDG embodies this.

[Farlis 2,321]

6 minutes ago, El Diablito said:

It is ridiculous, because I can still use an alias. Do you have to give them your social security and home address too?

People can huff and puff about it until they are blue in the face. It doesn't change that this is how PMDG does things, and have been doing for as long as I can remember using any of their forum supports, here and there. (Back in those days I had my real name signed on AVSIM as well, to be able to post on their Support Subsection)

Their house, their rules.

Don't like it? 

Then don't join their forums. 

But complaining about it elsewhere won't make them change their policy.

Edited December 3, 2023 by Farlis

[El Diablito 330]

6 minutes ago, Farlis said:

People can huff and puff about it until they are blue in the face. It doesn't change that this is how PMDG does things, and have been doing for as long as I can remember using any of their forum supports, here and there. (Back in those days I had my real name signed on AVSIM as well, to be able to post on their Support Subsection)

Their house, their rules.

Don't like it? 

Then don't join their forums. 

But complaining about it elsewhere won't make them change their policy.

It's all a moot point because you can still use an alias.

I'm just happy this aircraft issue doesn't affect me tbh.

[vonmar 124]

26 minutes ago, El Diablito said:

I've been a member of all kinds of forums for 20+ years and never heard of such a rule. It's a ridiculous rule no matter what way you frame it.

I see two other forums (besides PMDG) so far that require real names.

FsLabs Ruel 1 Use your REAL NAME as the Display Name:

1. Use your REAL NAME as the Display Name. 
Also - NO duplicate registrations. 
You are just one person - you are not allowed to have more than one username. 
It's a violation of this agreement and downright unethical - don't do it. 
Contact the administrators if you feel there was an error with your registration username.

https://forums.flightsimlabs.com/index.php?/terms/

ProATC forum top right corner: sign with your real name:
https://forum.proatcsr.com/

Edited December 3, 2023 by vonmar
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[JBDB-MD80 1,489]

40 minutes ago, vonmar said:

 

Edit post not referring to vonmar but does PMDG ask you to (require) sign your name when buying a product from their Website or the Marketplace? Rob Randazz would know million of folks by now. New Rnav coming in 2028 maybe.

Edited December 3, 2023 by JBDB-MD80

[vonmar 124]

45 minutes ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

Edit post not referring to vonmar but does PMDG ask you to (require) sign your name when buying a product from their Website or the Marketplace? Rob Randazz would know million of folks by now. New Rnav coming in 2028 maybe.

Always verify with PMDG, but I see on order form:

Customer : e-mail address

Billing address : first and last name , address details.

[threexgreen 3,160]

2 hours ago, El Diablito said:

Without any 1st hand knowledge of how the plane flies in real life or any other experience with a "normal" working LNAV in a sim, how would you notice this behaviour?

You shouldn't speak for "everyone". As mentioned by other posters and myself, I enjoy the feel of flying this aircraft as opposed to the very smooth feeling of the airbus and don't notice these issues you speak of, if anything there is an enjoyable challenge in flying it by hand out of a runway. 

The OP seems to have legitimate complaints about the profile of the AP in the sim version and PMDG seem to have a rep for not taking legitimate complaints constructively on their forum. I wouldn't know as I haven't posted there in any great deal, but there seems to be a consensus about that.

When overflying a waypoint in a turn in LNAV, the aircraft banks too far, then reduces the bank and increases it again until it settles before doing the same again coming out of the turn. The flight director is also twitchy during this and can be hard to follow flying manually. From what I've seen I believe LNAV isn't even the culprit, but the flight director that the aircraft is following. They have in fact released an update a while ago that makes the aircraft follow the magenta line much better (closer) than before, but the roll behavior is off. I believe the roll issue wasn't even there before but was introduced with this update.

I'm not faulting anyone for not noticing this. What I'm saying is that this is nothing that needs a real pilot in order to be revealed. PMDG aren't silencing pilots to keep secrets from others because it's not a secret. Some may not notice this, which is fine, but it's obvious enough that some knowledge of how a plane flies is sufficient to spot this.

[Farlis 2,321]

52 minutes ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

does PMDG ask you to (require) sign your name when buying a product from their Website or the Marketplace?

No Webshop in the world will let you circumvent giving your Adress and Real Name. That's because they have to have way to figure out who you are and how to get their money in case your bank transfer or credit card payment blows over.

It's a legal requirement for an online sale to become binding.

Edited December 3, 2023 by Farlis

[JBDB-MD80 1,489]

35 minutes ago, Farlis said:

No Webshop in the world will let you circumvent giving your Adress and Real Name. That's because they have to have way to figure out who you are and how to get their money in case your bank transfer or credit card payment blows over.

 

You guys take my post seriously its a "grain of salt". lighten up francis. Lets see in the future that PMDG gets their full functional simulation working on a XBOX P3D and even FSX style.

Edited December 3, 2023 by JBDB-MD80

[threexgreen 3,160]

11 hours ago, LRBS said:

I will briefly explain the sequence of events that led to my ban on the forum by their administrator. I expressed my dissatisfaction regarding product discrepancies and broken promises about fixing LNAV and AP interface after so many years.  I was told that repairing these problems is not a priority and that the average "sim pilot" wouldn't notice them. My following statement was that is a pity not having it fixed, taking into consideration the complexity of the software.

 Next, I was told I had to sign my posts with my real name. I explained that, due to my airline regulations, we are not allowed to use our real names on social media, which is why I prioritize my privacy. At the same time, I questioned the validity of his belief that all customers list their real names. That was the end of it.

And yes, those are valid complaints about bugs that are constantly right in front of our eyes, reproducing every flight.

To conclude, demanding the use of real names in a public forum on the internet when it's unnecessary, that is a real bizarre fixation. Like everyone else, you value your privacy. That's why you chose "treegreen".

I've stopped posting there and removed my name from my signature because I don't like this policy myself. I was fine with it at first but not anymore. However, I fully understand that I cannot post there without abiding by their rules, and whether you or I like this policy or not doesn't matter. It's their place and they can put up whatever rules they like. So when you're aware of the rules, but sign with a false name, don't change this into your real name when asked to and make clear you don't agree with this rule, I don't know what you expected would happen. They have every right then to ban you, even if you and I don't agree with the rule.

What I don't understand though is why you keep the narrative that you were banned for bringing up legitimate issues. If what you described here is what happened, you were clearly banned for openly refusing to follow their rule of signing with your real name, NOT for raising an issue with their product. That claim is disingenuous.

[JRBarrett 3,130]

2 hours ago, Claudius_ said:

I'm not writing messages anymore on the PMDG forum because this absurd rule, I don't want my real name associated with flight simulators, that's it. I'm a violinmaker and more than once my customers (stringed instrument players), found my real name associated with flight simulators because the Google indexing. This was a not wanted coming out and it's a violation of my privacy. The PMDG forums are public, not private. I was not banned from the PMDG forums, but you cannot find my real name on my messages there.

It seems strange that violinists would have second thoughts about using your services as a luthier because you engage in flight simulation as a hobby, or why you would want to conceal that fact from your customers as if it was something shameful.

I am sure there are people in your profession who also enjoy gourmet cooking, or playing golf, or horseback riding, and wouldn’t feel they have to hide their other interests apart from instrument making.

[F737MAX 5,738]

6 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

It seems strange that violinists would have second thoughts about using your services as a luthier because you engage in flight simulation as a hobby, or why you would want to conceal that fact from your customers as if it was something shameful.

I am sure there are people in your profession who also enjoy gourmet cooking, or playing golf, or horseback riding, and wouldn’t feel they have to hide their other interests apart from instrument making.

As an active member in this hobby of ours, of course you wouldn't see Flight Simming as anything different to those other hobbies you listed.

However, in the wider world, some hobbies are just considered to be nerdy/strange/weird, such as Quidditch—you're pretending to fly around, but aren't. Strange childish fantasy of being a broom pilot (see how that judgment can occur?) 

Ignorance and snobbery play a large part in that. However, when your customers are reviewing whether to instruct you/use your services and you are easily identifiable and linked to a 'weird hobby', they will often choose a competitor. Why? Because evidence shows people's decision-making is based more on negative reinforcement—the 'why shouldn't I choose this business over a similar one?' question.

[Fiorentoni 4,407]

4 hours ago, F737MAX said:

The point is that PMDG products are implicitly marketed as having the most realistic systems recreation. Having a sloppy LNAV goes against that narrative

That's true. But - apart from taking makerting with a general grain of salt - you gotta see the whole picture:

1) It's still the best airliner in MSFS in terms of fidelity, systems depth and stability. E.g. the Fenix, probably the only competitor for that title in MSFS, still has its fair share of issues with things like drag, fly-by-wire, icing, engine modelling. So no matter how complacent they've become and no matter how unsustainable RSR has become, quality is still a major plus for PMDG.

2) While probably FSL had the best airliner on P3D, they had only one aircraft model and three variants, while at the same time PMDG had done at least three entire aircraft models with all their variants (freighters included). So they also win in quantity.

I mean people (me including) have been talking about the apparent downfall of PMDG since FSL emerged, but objectively combining the quality and quantity (and by now the price!) PMDG is still the clear no. 1 in the entertainment sim market. For what it's worth.

[JRBarrett 3,130]

34 minutes ago, F737MAX said:

However, in the wider world, some hobbies are just considered to be nerdy/strange/weird, such as Quidditch—you're pretending to fly around, but aren't. Strange childish fantasy of being a broom pilot (see how that judgment can occur?) 

Well, I have been deeply involved in flight simulation for over 40 years, and there is literally nobody who knows me personally who is unaware of that fact. I have never encountered any negative perception/reaction from anyone regarding my hobby. Reactions range from “that’s interesting, tell me more” to “meh”, but no negativity towards me (personally) for having that interest.

In the world of music specifically, I am a lifelong (amateur) musician myself, and 4 immediate and extended family members are professional musicians, ranging from a rock guitarist to a long time member of the San Diego Symphony orchestra. It’s a world I know well. Most musicians care deeply about the skill level and experience of those who build/maintain their instruments - but would not give a flying fig about any avocation they may have outside of their chosen profession.

Edited December 3, 2023 by JRBarrett

[Farlis 2,321]

34 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

In the world of music specifically

I'd also add that Daniel Harding, internationally known conductor, also has a 2nd career as an airline pilot for Air France. At least he was flying for them before the pandemic, I don't know if he still does.