On 2/13/2024 at 5:19 PM, Krakin said:

So is it looking better than the FSLabs version now?

Not at all.  FSLabs has a full set of 2D instrument panels in P3D.  With three screens I can put the overhead panel on one monitor, the center pedestal on another and of course the forward view on the center monitor.  Everything visible all at once with no need to pan around and mess up the workflow.

25 minutes ago, kholt said:

Not at all.  FSLabs has a full set of 2D instrument panels in P3D.  With three screens I can put the overhead panel on one monitor, the center pedestal on another and of course the forward view on the center monitor.  Everything visible all at once with no need to pan around and mess up the workflow.

But that is P3D, MSFS does not allow 2D popups so to speak so nothing to do with the developer.

31 minutes ago, kholt said:

Not at all.  FSLabs has a full set of 2D instrument panels in P3D.  With three screens I can put the overhead panel on one monitor, the center pedestal on another and of course the forward view on the center monitor.  Everything visible all at once with no need to pan around and mess up the workflow.

This may(?) Be something Fenix could do: SLC, FS2Crew, etc use external windows overlaying the MSFS app to control things. I wonder if Fenix could have a 2D panel that is external to the program but directly communicates with the systems? 

Or would things like the attitude indicator etc not function due to MSFS functionality?

42 minutes ago, kholt said:

Not at all.  FSLabs has a full set of 2D instrument panels in P3D.  With three screens I can put the overhead panel on one monitor, the center pedestal on another and of course the forward view on the center monitor.  Everything visible all at once with no need to pan around and mess up the workflow.

That's not something one could do in real life anyway and is more of a cheat  lol

8 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said:

But that is P3D, MSFS does not allow 2D popups so to speak so nothing to do with the developer.

I read the original post not so much as “who’s the best developer” but “who has the best product?”.  FSLabs on P3D is a superior simulation of an A320 and airline flying as compared to Fenix on MSFS.  There are good reasons for this for people who have the right priorities regarding realistic workflow (no panning) with multi-monitor support, hardware support and weather.  For those that care about how well dirt, chipping paint and rivets, and passenger seats are modeled, well there’s Fenix.

I’m excited about the news that Fenix will “allow” hardware cockpits.  Let’s see how well they “support” hardware cockpits, and whether they do that as wel as FSLabs has done.  They haven’t offered any details yet, and even if they had, talk is cheap.  When Fenix is actually superior to FSLabs in aspects that matter to me, I will switch immediately.  Heck, I already own both, so it’s not like I care who wins.

2 minutes ago, Krakin said:

That's not something one could do in real life anyway and is more of a cheat  lol

Huh??  In “real life” you have to grab a computer mouse to look around the cockpit?  With all due respect, are you good on your meds?

12 minutes ago, WestAir said:

This may(?) Be something Fenix could do: SLC, FS2Crew, etc use external windows overlaying the MSFS app to control things. I wonder if Fenix could have a 2D panel that is external to the program but directly communicates with the systems? 

Or would things like the attitude indicator etc not function due to MSFS functionality?

It’s technically possible.  AirManager could do it if someone put in the effort to duplicate with it what FSLabs has already done.

7 minutes ago, Krakin said:

That's not something one could do in real life anyway and is more of a cheat  lol

I mean for what it's worth, we're flying jets on a computer....at home....the whole thing is a cheat

Why are people comparing...Neither were on the same platform so you can't compare..  

8 minutes ago, kholt said:

I read the original post not so much as “who’s the best developer” but “who has the best product?”.  FSLabs on P3D is a superior simulation of an A320 and airline flying as compared to Fenix on MSFS.  There are good reasons for this for people who have the right priorities regarding realistic workflow (no panning) with multi-monitor support, hardware support and weather.  For those that care about how well dirt, chipping paint and rivets, and passenger seats are modeled, well there’s Fenix.

I’m excited about the news that Fenix will “allow” hardware cockpits.  Let’s see how well they “support” hardware cockpits, and whether they do that as wel as FSLabs has done.  They haven’t offered any details yet, and even if they had, talk is cheap.  When Fenix is actually superior to FSLabs in aspects that matter to me, I will switch immediately.  Heck, I already own both, so it’s not like I care who wins.

Obviously they can talk more when the contracts are signed to do with the licences anyone would know they can't go into further details till this has been done. Breach of contract can be affected etc.

Edited February 15, 20242 yr by carlanthony24

Hi Amir, any chance of including Asobo's wx radar implementation in this release? Thank you

 

1 minute ago, evaamo said:

Hi Amir, any chance of including Asobo's wx radar implementation in this release? Thank you

 

It's not happening. Till they get an API that is useful.

1 minute ago, Bigt said:

I mean for what it's worth, we're flying jets on a computer....at home....the whole thing is a cheat

True, but at least you were able to get where I was coming from. In any case, that isn't much of a feature to give the nod to the FSL. If the FSL does not simulate compressor stalls due to adverse crosswind conditions like the Fenix does, that's a far more significant advantage for the Fenix.

I doubt you will be able to use multiple displays once FSLabs comes to MSFS like you do in P3D.

5 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said:

I doubt you will be able to use multiple displays once FSLabs comes to MSFS like you do in P3D.

That’s what I’m afraid of.  I hope it’s not true, but you could very well be right.   Perhaps someday if MSFS has better multi-monitor support we can set up dedicated, fixed views for the overhead and pedestal, which would work for all aircraft.

For me personally, I plan to have a complete Skalarki pedestal by summer, so that takes care of part of my interest in 2D panels.  I doubt I will ever have a hardware overhead panel though, so I would still like to see support for my overhead mounted computer screen to display it.