48 minutes ago, Claudius_ said:

Good to know, because it's an unfinished product and it should have been finished many months ago.

The video shows for it self why it was delayed and a statement that was put by Aamir that someone posted on here explains has well. It’s not an unfinished product because they could have left it where it was and just done tiny updates. You can fly A-B no problem. Instead they decided to get rid of old ProSim code and rebuild it. 
 

Not the first time you say silly things.

18 hours ago, Krakin said:

So is it looking better than the FSLabs version now?

LOL....Once we have FSL we'll know. As it stands, Fenix ate their lunch.....

18 hours ago, Krakin said:

So is it looking better than the FSLabs version now?

That's a bit like asking if Michael Jordan is better than Tom Brady. It's not comparable, because we have no idea what and how fast Fenix would have been able to work in P3D or how much FSL would be able to port over to MSFS and its limits, or how good it would look and so on.
As for a pure theoretical answer from an aircraft simulation view: The Fenix simulates many things much deeper than FSL; but from a purely technical point of view Fenix needs to get their flight parameters right (especially in EO - engine-out- situations) to be the best A320 simulation in flight sim history. Let's see what the external engine model can tribute to that.

You'll forgive me for bringing up FSLabs, but I want to make a point that FSLabs will have to utilize the native MSFS engine simulation or make their own. They'll have the same fuel burn problems, the same pitch/drag problems, the same ground handling issues as everyone else trying to build a 1:1 rendition of the aircraft. If FSLabs wants to go the Fenix / A2A route to build an external module to handle all the good parts, you're looking at a time investment that quite frankly has already been made by their competition.

In other words: The best we can see from FSLabs is the exact same thing, and that's never good if you're not first to the market.

1 minute ago, Fiorentoni said:

That's a bit like asking if Michael Jordan is better than Tom Brady. It's not comparable, because we have no idea what and how fast Fenix would have been able to work in P3D or how much FSL would be able to port over to MSFS and its limits, or how good it would look and so on.
As for a pure theoretical answer from an aircraft simulation view: The Fenix simulates many things much deeper than FSL; but from a purely technical point of view Fenix needs to get their flight parameters right (especially in EO - engine-out- situations) to be the best A320 simulation in flight sim history. Let's see what the external engine model can tribute to that.

And this is what the update does because it brings external engine modelling to make it much better.

5 minutes ago, WestAir said:

You'll forgive me for bringing up FSLabs, but I want to make a point that FSLabs will have to utilize the native MSFS engine simulation or make their own. They'll have the same fuel burn problems, the same pitch/drag problems, the same ground handling issues as everyone else trying to build a 1:1 rendition of the aircraft. If FSLabs wants to go the Fenix / A2A route to build an external module to handle all the good parts, you're looking at a time investment that quite frankly has already been made by their competition.

In other words: The best we can see from FSLabs is the exact same thing, and that's never good if you're not first to the market.

Again pricing is going to be the Major factor it’s been proven by Fenix they wanted to always price it consumer friendly and they have. If FSLabs price the 321 and only the 321 at say £50 or more. It’s not going to do as well because you get the 319/321 for £40 from Fenix and well we know the standard IMO looks a lot better than the FSLabs now. 
 

The fact they are absorbing the cost for people to use external hardware just proves how well the company is doing. They could of easily made people buy a licence instead.

Edited February 14, 20242 yr by carlanthony24

Hehe, when Fenix is the topic three things are a constant: Some get cranky, PMDG gets a hit and someone will bring up A330Driver.

V1-Simulations just finished his stream and here are his thoughts/quotes on the deep dive video.. very interesting to hear from an IRL A320 expert and his various side insights, needless to say he was very impressed. Let's see later once he tries the update himself if his initial excitement holds.

PA system
- the PA system and the sounds being based on power use (APU vs main), location in aircraft, etc: "it's going to be really and more important than you think"
- he likes all the nuances simulated
- loves the configurability and ability to customize per livery

EFB
- "EFB looks much more snappy"
- loves the system reset table in the EFB, custom runway intersection functionality, ability to send data/config/etc to MCDU, etc
- "this is insane"

Flight model
- V1 asserted the importance of high-end hardware (sidestick/etc) in order experience the flight model properly
- On Fenix's SDS: if this helps lesser hardware controllers then that's great, to feel more inertia/weight
- "they're upping the bar for realistic reactivity with lesser controllers"
- he's very interested by Fenix's comprehensive telemetry system and data collection to refine the FM and fly on the numbers (including flaps behaviour, drag/pitch, flare, etc)
- "cool how it'll track the IRL aircraft's quirky VNAV, IRL it's not 100% accurate"

External engine model
- "crazy stuff", "basically you're flying a real airplane"
- wowed by the 158000+ data points per engine variant they used (on live IRL airaft not just book values)
- "so basically they now build engines and the aircraft, basically fenix is king :)"
- "this is super cool stuff... I cannot believe all this is modelled"
- amazed that they're simulating various IRL operational quirks of the IAE engines
- "I don't have to bring my ipad to sim any more, so awesome they're including all these procudures for realistic failures practicing"
- "fenix is a legend"
- "this is wild"
- "wild that is it's very dependent on aircraft orientation, and only one engine or both can get affected based on aircraft orientation, wind direction, speed, exposure, etc"
- "the fact that they've simulated this.. i'm done.. i'm uninstalling all the other add-ons :)"

Closing thoughts
- "all the haters who gave Fenix a hard time for delays can go pound sand"
- "this Fenix V2 Block2 update is going to be the most complex best A320 simulator ever seen"
- "crazy that Fenix will have three airbus models that are basically real life"

He was intrigued by the tease by Aamir about their custom engine model serving "future aircraft products" near end of the video.. I missed this easter egg bit too. Sounded like Aamir started off saying something and intentionally distorted with someone saying "naa" over it and then just mentioned the 321/319 ... Hmmm, here's the timestamp where Aamir says this: https://youtu.be/EDDPuaLgAnM?t=2529 (V1 felt Aamir started off with "sss.." which could be 737 and then he speculated it could be 737 max since ProSim has one)
 

Edited February 14, 20242 yr by lwt1971

10 minutes ago, threexgreen said:

Hehe, when Fenix is the topic three things are a constant: Some get cranky, PMDG gets a hit and someone will bring up A330Driver.

Why actually did you bring this up derailing the thread? Fenix, PMDG or the "Youtube Expert" don't need your sympathy.

14 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

V1-Simulations just finished his stream and here are his thoughts/quotes on the deep dive video.. very interesting to hear from an IRL A320 expert and his various side insights, needless to say he was very impressed. Let's see later once he tries the update himself if his initial excitement holds.

PA system
- the PA system and the sounds being based on power use (APU vs main), location in aircraft, etc: "it's going to be really and more important than you think"
- he likes all the nuances simulated
- loves the configurability and ability to customize per livery

EFB
- "EFB looks much more snappy"
- loves the system reset table in the EFB, custom runway intersection functionality, ability to send data/config/etc to MCDU, etc
- "this is insane"

Flight model
- V1 agrees with the importance of hig-end hardware (sidestick/etc) in order experience the flight model properly
- On Fenix's SDS: if this helps lesser hardware controllers then that's great, to feel more inertia/weight
- "they're upping the bar for realistic reactivity with lesser controllers"
- he's very interested by Fenix's comprehensive telemetry system and data collection to refine the FM and fly on the numbers (including flaps behaviour, drag/pitch, flare, etc)
- "cool how it'll track the IRL aircraft's quirky VNAV, IRL it's not 100% accurate"

External engine model
- "crazy stuff", "basically you're flying a real airplane"
- wowed by the 158000+ data points per engine variant they used (on live IRL airaft not just book values)
- "so basically they now build engines and the aircraft, basically fenix is king :)"
- "this is super cool stuff... I cannot believe all this is modelled"
- amazed that they're simulating various IRL operational quirks of the IAE engines
- "I don't have to bring my ipad to sim any more, so awesome they're including all these procudures for realistic failures practicing"
- "fenix is a legend"
- "this is wild"
- "wild that is it's very dependent on aircraft orientation, and only one engine or both can get affected based on wind direction, speed and exposure"
- "the fact that they've simulated this.. i'm done.. i'm uninstalling all the other add-ons :)"

Closing thoughts
- "all the haters who gave Fenix a hard time for delays can go pound sand"
- "this Fenix V2 Block2 upate is going to be the most complex best A320 simulator ever seen"
- "crazy that Fenix will have three airbus models that are basically real life"

He was intrigued by the tease by Aamir about "future aircraft products" near end of the video.. I missed this easter egg bit too. Sounded like Aamir started off saying something and intentionally distorted with someone saying "naa" over it and then just mentioned the 321/319 ... Hmmm, here's the timestamp where Aamir says this: https://youtu.be/EDDPuaLgAnM?t=2529 (V1 felt Aamir started off with "sss.." which could be 737 and then he speculated it could be 737 max since ProSim has one)
 

I can’t wait for the review from A330 driver and V1 to make another meme. If people want to get the best review of a product just go to V1 no bull**** not biased etc.

Edited February 14, 20242 yr by carlanthony24

Don't give a word not allowed about whose Airbus is better. I know it will be the Fenix A320 for me because this... ⤵️

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Also, you'll get compressor stalls if you don't pay attention to your x-wind and tail-wind limits.

...makes the airliner so much more 'alive'/life-like.

Edited February 14, 20242 yr by F737MAX
grammar (stupid aught-o korreckt)

Okay, just got around to watching this deep dive video. Wow! This is like a major expansion, and Fenix is giving this us for free! I mean, this is a huge update. Many, many other sim aircraft and PC games get paid expansions that don't add this much content. @Aamir and the rest of the Fenix team, thank you for all of this diligent work to, as you stated in the video, getting all the millimeters right on the Fenix A320 sim. Looking forward to this in earnest😊 In the meantime, I will continue flying the already amazing Fenix A320 that we have in our hands at present 😁

2 hours ago, WestAir said:

The best we can see from FSLabs is the exact same thing, and that's never good if you're not first to the market.

Why we are bringing FSL and "what thing" they have to implement when everyone by now knows that, there is absolutely no comment by them? "They have to implement MSFS engine simulation", like everyone else. Clearly they have issues. To me it is really strange that they couldn't "figure" MSFS. I prefer FSL, but will fly FENIX. 

4 hours ago, carlanthony24 said:

The video shows for it self why it was delayed and a statement that was put by Aamir that someone posted on here explains has well. It’s not an unfinished product because they could have left it where it was and just done tiny updates. You can fly A-B no problem. Instead they decided to get rid of old ProSim code and rebuild it. 
 

Not the first time you say silly things.

The fuel burn rate is wrong, it's not a silly thing, and my purpose is simulate a flight properly, not just flying A-B. I'm free to express my opinion without a silly word not allowed starts offending if someone is breaking his toy.

45 minutes ago, Claudius_ said:

The fuel burn rate is wrong, it's not a silly thing, and my purpose is simulate a flight properly, not just flying A-B. I'm free to express my opinion without a silly word not allowed starts offending if someone is breaking his toy.

We all know its wrong. Any product you buy is not great from the get go and will always have something wrong. Its not ground breaking you can still fly A-B which is the main purpose for most people. Most of the people who just want to fly A-B and don't do fuel checks etc would not care about this others will. So either way you look at it is a finished product. Can it fly A-B yes it can job done. Obviously for developers its not but for most people it is.

But the information you say is inaccurate saying its unfinished it really is not for most people who don't care about what I have mentioned. Its like saying you buy a game for Xbox its classed has a finished product ready to be sold for most people they just want to play it and could not care about any updates that will come to the game after.