16 minutes ago, sloppysmusic said:

Dang. Until that post I was enjoying reading ONE SINGLE thread in the msfs 2020 forum that was NOT about a different sim not even out yet and /or an addon plane that has its own forum elsewhere that nobody uses. 

You sneaked that link in under my minimums! 

😳

 

It's an opinion, just like many others, and there are also some other airline pilots using MSFS who think differently.

I myself not being, even by far, a professional pilot IRL can easily find limitations in all platforms I have used.

Just as I posted above, I myself find many quirks too in X-Plane, and keep using both sims, and now Aerofly FS 4 too, because I can actually find good points and good reasons to keep using these 3 sims... There are, though, some really evident limitations in the present representation of some aspects of the physics simulation in MSFS 2020, although I look fwd into 2024 and the already announced coverage in much more detail of the "aerodynamics-active" surfaces in an aircraft model, possibly allowing for a much more detailed model of, for instance but not only, the fuselage...

But for me it is good to have opinions from professional pilots regarding a desktop flight simulator, at least to answer some of the claims made by users more concerned about some aspects of the simulation.

1 hour ago, jcomm said:

But for me it is good to have opinions from professional pilots regarding a desktop flight simulator, at least to answer some of the claims made by users more concerned about some aspects of the simulation.

Problem is when you get differing opinions from pilots and now the problem is now no information is more right than the other. It's subjective and like @lwt1971 said also dependent on how a developer implements their FM as-well as much is using the flight_model.cfg and how much is WASM momentum overrides.

I don't know if this applies to this thread or not but my problem on approach is when I switch from external to cockpit, and back and forth, the view is miles apart.  In one the runway is off in the distance and the other you're right on it. 

Roy

1 hour ago, jcomm said:

It's an opinion, just like many others, and there are also some other airline pilots using MSFS who think differently.

I myself not being, even by far, a professional pilot IRL can easily find limitations in all platforms I have used.

Just as I posted above, I myself find many quirks too in X-Plane, and keep using both sims, and now Aerofly FS 4 too, because I can actually find good points and good reasons to keep using these 3 sims... There are, though, some really evident limitations in the present representation of some aspects of the physics simulation in MSFS 2020, although I look fwd into 2024 and the already announced coverage in much more detail of the "aerodynamics-active" surfaces in an aircraft model, possibly allowing for a much more detailed model of, for instance but not only, the fuselage...

But for me it is good to have opinions from professional pilots regarding a desktop flight simulator, at least to answer some of the claims made by users more concerned about some aspects of the simulation.

OK I'll bite. Despite the nitpicking of some real world pilot there is a reason why 2020 is the most popular flight simulator ever made. Do you know what the reason is? 

41 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

OK I'll bite. Despite the nitpicking of some real world pilot there is a reason why 2020 is the most popular flight simulator ever made. Do you know what the reason is? 

I know why I like it so much, and lately end up using it a lot more than I do XP 12, even feeling just as blackbox 711 describes about it's flight dynamics as well as some aspects of weather physics... - functionality, ease of use specially for someone like me without much time or patience available for long /detailled procedural flights, although I have been trying to Invest in areas I never invested in either XP, P3D or FSX like AI Traffic and ATC, with FSHUD, FSLTL, BeyondATC... And... OFC... AND!!! It's unique World Scenery, FOR FREE!!!!

Edited June 27, 20241 yr by jcomm

3 minutes ago, jcomm said:

I know why I like it so much, and these end up using it a lot more than I do XP 12, even feeling just as blackbox 711 describes about it's flight dynamics as well as some aspects of weather physics... - functionality, ease of use specially for someone like me without much time or patience available for long /detailled procedural flights, although I have been trying to Invest in areas I never invested in either XP, p3d or fsx like AI Traffic and ATC, with FSHUD, FSLTL, beyondATC... And... OFC... AND!!! It's unique World Scenery, FOR FREE!!!!

Nope. Not even close to the right answer.

15 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

OK I'll bite. Despite the nitpicking of some real world pilot there is a reason why 2020 is the most popular flight simulator ever made. Do you know what the reason is? 

There are a lot of good things but this forum gives evidence that it's the "tweeking" factor.  If you had to use the sim just like it came out of the box, you would soon tire of it.  I personally, spend more time tweeking and with updatwes than I do flying,

31 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

Nope. Not even close to the right answer.

🤣

Surely not for the gliders, so.... Now I'm lost??? Sexy Gals??? Are there hidden Easter Egg Sexy Gals?

Edited June 27, 20241 yr by jcomm

14 minutes ago, jcomm said:

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Surely not for the gliders, so.... Now I'm lost??? Sexy Gals??? Are there hidden Easter Egg Sexy Gals?

I'll leave you to ponder. But here's a clue. It's not because of runway lighting systems or visibility.

It is also available on XBox.

3 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

It is also available on XBox.

😁

Well, I see your point Christopher, but these days it really doesn't bother me... just like the fact that Aerofly FS4 and X-Plane have mobile versions ....

Provided the quality is good, I don't mind.

I was referring to Jarmstro's question regarding why FS 2020 is the most popular flight simulator ever made. I have no problem with it being released for console users.

3 hours ago, Roy Warren said:

but this forum gives evidence that it's the "tweeking" factor.  If you had to use the sim just like it came out of the box, you would soon tire of it. 

Dead wrong. Yes, there are a number of very active posters who seem to be tweaking all day long. Personally, that stopped when I uninstalled P3D. I have never used any of the never-ending supply of various tools that promise sim nirvana - no AutoFPS, AutoLOD, Lossless Scaling etc., etc.

I just fly every day - and enjoy it 😉

 

Saw that yesterday. He certainly didn't mince words. And he is totally correct. The PAPI and ILS HAVE to allign with the TDZ. Everywhere!

Edited June 27, 20241 yr by Farlis

6 hours ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

He is calling MSFS pretty and nothing more.

Way to put words into someone's mouth. He said he enjoys it because it is a complete package. That is lacking in certain flight characteristics. And he says that XPlane is better in that regard, that aircraft feel more alive for his personal taste.

And he is not wrong. The Flightdynamics have considerably improved since ASOBO took over, but they are still not at the point where XPlane is. They are catching up slowly, but they are not on par.

 

He also made it abundantly clear that he doesn't give recommendations. Because he thinks people have so much differing tastes that you can't pinpoint it down to "Buy it" or "Leave it".

He can say what he likes and he says what he likes doesn't have to be what other people like.

Edited June 27, 20241 yr by Farlis