Well that descended into the usual saga.

Here we go again.  More MSFS vs X-Plane drama.

It never ends.  

37 minutes ago, turbomax said:

 

to quote Matt Nischan, an expert developer who knows and understands both simulators instead of gamers "opinions":

 

This Matt Nisch? „Matt, aka the Nishmaster and the DiploMatt, has been a flight sim nerd since the 90s and he has been a developer and sysadmin for the last 20 years. He started development in C and C++ and spent the last 7 years on a large scale distributed high-performance financial platform as the lead architect, building out much of the framework as well as the low-level critical areas (concurrency, perf, data structures, serialization, etc).“

Has he 30y of experience as a real airliner-pilot to judge the result or is he simply stucked in the theory? Whatever he is saying, the results are not really there. So if what he says is true, then the question is: why are XP‘s devs so much better at setting their flightmodel than MSFS‘ones? I also recommand you to talk about that topic with the best unbiased airliner-pilot we have around that also uses all sims and never hesitates to express critics: Cpt. BB711. Bring that topic to him. You can interact with him during his streams. As a hint: „Krakin“ already got grilled and had to agree then that XP‘s flightmodel was better. His hopes are that they will catch up with MSFS 2024.

Edited August 19, 20241 yr by Franz007

29 minutes ago, Franz007 said:

„Isn‘t that bad“ doesn‘t mean that it is as good as XP‘s one

I know that is your conviction 😉

"These birds all have great flight dynamics/handling not just observed by us simmers who’ve used all sims including XP, but also those who’re IRL pilots of these (for example, the likes of V1 Simulations, Into the Blue Simulations, 320 Sim Pilot, Flightdeck2Sim, etc who are real world airbus and boeing pilots have had a lot of praise for both the depth of systems simulation as well flight dynamics"

4 minutes ago, turbomax said:

"These birds all have great flight dynamics/handling not just observed by us simmers who’ve used all sims including XP, but also those who’re IRL pilots of these (for example, the likes of V1 Simulations, Into the Blue Simulations, 320 Sim Pilot, Flightdeck2Sim, etc who are real world airbus and boeing pilots have had a lot of praise for both the depth of systems simulation as well flight dynamics"

And I can name just as many, if not more people who have a lot of praise for X-Plane.  One of them is the very person you mentioned.  FD2S.

Why are you so insecure about your choices, that you have to make comparison posts like that in here?  

If you like namedropping that much, I can definitely indulge you.  Or is your whole aim to have another X-Plane thread locked?

@tonywob

 

Didn't I predict it?

2 hours ago, flying_carpet said:

So ... we all know that flat-earthers “tend” to ignore facts.

Ok, so ... Opinions, facts? Facts, megatons of hard facts.

BTW, this is also a popular tactic among flat earthers. If they can't refute something, they open up a sideshow, which will also burn their fingers due to the laws of physics. We've already experienced all of this.
But ... stay brave ... at some point the truth will crystallize, namely that the earth is flat after all.

5 minutes ago, flying_carpet said:

namely that the earth is flat after all

I knew it! 😝

5 minutes ago, Rimshot said:

I knew it! 😝

Only the side that isnt round.

2 hours ago, Rimshot said:

This exactly! Being convinced X-Plane has the better flight model you will obviously ignore the numerous accounts of pilots stating the MSFS model isn't that bad.

I don't think anyone in here mentioned MSFS has nothing good in it, the ones who are catering towards the black & white views and escalating threads are users like @turbomax.

I'm a pilot as well, have a PPL & IFR certificates & heading now towards my multi-engine rating, surprise, I think X-Plane is a much better simulator (And I can state multiple reasons, not just flight model wise btw, but also visual aspects). 

Yet another pilot will think otherwise. What does it mean? simple, pilots are NOT experts in aeronautics, they don't need to be. I don't value my or any other pilot's opinion when it comes to actual math and formulas. it's a marketing BS. 

To a random Jon doe in Avsim, he could not care less as long he can follow the same procedures in reality, this is where MSFS & X-Plane are not so different, from a home user perspective. You can perform an IFR flight using real life procedures in both.

The experts are those who build safe real life vehicles that pilots use. So if one simulator is being used to build actual real life aircrafts while the other is not...to an aeronautics expert it's clear who is better & more accurate.

So with all my respect to Matt Nischan quotes, it's not god send words....I prefer those guys opinions, you know...people who build real life aircrafts, so me and you can operate them safely and then debate about which version in which simulator is better, despite one was actually used to engineer it, in real life:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 19, 20241 yr by Inu

1 hour ago, Rimshot said:

I know that is your conviction 😉

You will have the same conviction as soon as you have tried flying the A300 or B787 empty or full and realised that it behaves exactly the same. And trying the same in XP. Don‘t forget to tell me your results 😉

21 minutes ago, Inu said:

The experts are those who build safe real life vehicles that pilots use.

airline pilots with tens of thousands of hours in a specific type then have no clue when they comment on a simulated airplane of same type because they didn't build their A320 or B737, interesting.

Edited August 19, 20241 yr by turbomax

6 minutes ago, Franz007 said:

You will have the same conviction as soon as you have tried flying the A300 or B787 empty or full and realised that it behaves exactly the same. And trying the same in XP.

That may very well be, but flying tubeliners doesn't interest me at all. I'd rather stick to small GA. Both sims equally impress me when it comes to the small stuff.

7 minutes ago, turbomax said:

airline pilots with tens of thousands of hours in a specific type then have no clue when they comment on a simulated airplane of same type because they didn't build their A320 or B737, interesting.

 

28 minutes ago, Inu said:

the ones who are catering towards the black & white views 

QED.

4 minutes ago, Rimshot said:

That may very well be, but flying tubeliners doesn't interest me at all. I'd rather stick to small GA. Both sims equally impress me when it comes to the small stuff.

Yes there is less differences in GA‘s.